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re: Should the USA make an all out effort to be great at soccer?
Posted on 7/2/14 at 8:26 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 7/2/14 at 8:26 am to SlowFlowPro
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we don't want soccer to grow in college. having Title 9 kill it is great for the development of our men's national team
I have grown to agree with this in the short term.
However, the US definitely needs to pour $$$ into its academy system if colleges are not going to be the proving ground.
Also, as I said, short term. For the longest time, MLB did not mine the college teams, preferring to work within their own farm systems. In the 90s/00s it really changed as the clubs saw that there was talent to be had there. Granted, the high school signee/farm system is still the primary talent pool, but college players are becoming a bigger part of the game.
US soccer (and MLS) would benefit long term from viable and widespread men's college soccer, for those players that want to play, but also want a degree (or, at least, some college education).
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Posted on 7/2/14 at 8:26 am to golftigers
With title IV the chances are small. Most colleges eliminate men's soccer for title IV. What makes our other sports better is there is a system for after high school to keep competing at a high level. Soccer offers very few men's college team where there is tv coverage and a place to be seen. If kids had the chance to go to a major school where tv coverage would be picked up, I am sure you would see a larger effort for male athletes to pursue soccer.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 8:29 am to LSUJuicer
Dude, read like two posts up. Great soccer players don't go college anymore. College soccer is a huge part of what has held US soccer back for so long.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 8:33 am to thesoccerfanjax
I think the US will continue to develop and be extremely competitive. We lost to a team with the second most players in the EPL, all of whom are young. We had multiple opportunities to win, we absolutely crushed the expectations of our group. A lot of pundits thought we would be lucky just to get a point, and that advancing was a pipe dream.
We played well, I think you can expect to see continued growth and that soccer will be here for a long time.
We played well, I think you can expect to see continued growth and that soccer will be here for a long time.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 8:37 am to golftigers
Lebron James is probably to tall for soccer, but I get the point. Honey Badger, Reggie Bush, athletes of that caliber playing soccer imagine that.
Make no mistake about this: the US has already made ENORMOUS progress in soccer the last 25-30 years.
Make no mistake about this: the US has already made ENORMOUS progress in soccer the last 25-30 years.
This post was edited on 7/2/14 at 8:38 am
Posted on 7/2/14 at 8:40 am to htran90
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The highest paid Soccer player makes 6.7mil iirc.
:rotflmao: No.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 8:44 am to r2d2
Athletes of that caliber do and have played soccer with mixed results. Some are currently on the usmnt and some couldn't even make their HS team.
This post was edited on 7/2/14 at 8:45 am
Posted on 7/2/14 at 8:46 am to thesoccerfanjax
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Posted by Message thesoccerfanjax Should the USA make an all out effort to be great at soccer? Athletes of that caliber do have played soccer with mixed results. Some are currently on the usmnt and some couldn't even make their HS team.
Good point.
US soccer is doing well, still room to improve of course but the tendency is good.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 8:52 am to boxcar willie
Why? So everyone can pretend to care about soccer for 3 weeks again?
Posted on 7/2/14 at 8:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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we don't want soccer to grow in college. having Title 9 kill it is great for the development of our men's national team
I can agree with this. I was just responding to other poster's point about NCAA practice restrictions affecting men's college soccer. Title IX impacts men's college soccer much more than practice restrictions.
A minor league system similar to the MLB farm system is definitely the way to go. There just needs to be owners willing to spend money on MLS to make a soccer farm system viable.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 9:03 am to tigers102886
There already is a farm system more or less. Aside from the MLS reserve sides you have USL/USL PRO, NASL (although their insistence that they are peers of MLS is dumb as hell and holding them back) and a couple other high level amateur/ semi pro leagues I can't think of right now. But yea it needs to grow and seems to be doing well.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 9:04 am to tigers102886
Dp
This post was edited on 7/2/14 at 9:06 am
Posted on 7/2/14 at 9:12 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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Why? So everyone can pretend to care about soccer for 3 weeks again?
You feel better, now?
Posted on 7/2/14 at 9:15 am to thesoccerfanjax
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Athletes of that caliber do and have played soccer with mixed results. Some are currently on the usmnt and some couldn't even make their HS team.
I'm not trying to be an a-hole here, but if a non-trouble maker had Russell Westbrook's skill set, he would make high school soccer teams.
Russell Westbrook is one of the most athletic people in any sport today.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 9:22 am to Jcorye1
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but if a non-trouble maker had Russell Westbrook's skill set, he would make high school soccer teams.
Maybe in Louisiana...
Not here in FL or most states where soccer is relatively big.
eta: I've seen guys who are now NFL CBs and RBs go out and not make mediocre/bad HS soccer teams.
This post was edited on 7/2/14 at 9:24 am
Posted on 7/2/14 at 9:34 am to golftigers
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As far as an "all out effort" think about Lebron, Adrian Peterson, Calvin Johnson, etc growing up playing soccer and going to year round soccer academies.
the only thing i would say that if guys like lebron, peterson and megaton played soccer, they wouldn't be the same athlete. soccer players run around for 90 minutes and if those guys played soccer, they wouldn't have the same muscle mass that they do now( or if they did they couldn't play soccer). without the same mass, you wouldn't view them as quite the freakish athlete that they are now. although in general it is hard to argue that our very best athletes are not playing soccer, and having a team of reggie bush's and russel westbrooks would have to be better than what we have now, and make up for some of the difference in technical skill that the euro and south american players have over ours.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 9:38 am to 632627
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the only thing i would say that if guys like lebron, peterson and megaton played soccer, they wouldn't be the same athlete. soccer players run around for 90 minutes and if those guys played soccer, they wouldn't have the same muscle mass that they do now( or if they did they couldn't play soccer). without the same mass, you wouldn't view them as quite the freakish athlete that they are now. although in general it is hard to argue that our very best athletes are not playing soccer, and having a team of reggie bush's and russel westbrooks would have to be better than what we have now, and make up for some of the difference in technical skill that the euro and south american players have over ours.
Exactly. Great athlete does not mean great soccer player. It doesn't just transfer from one sport to the other or Michael Jordan would have been an all world baseball player.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 9:41 am to VABuckeye
If it's going to happen, it will be in the metropolitan areas where immigration is most active. Those areas are where we need to invest money and resources.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 9:42 am to VABuckeye
So much of what your average Sportscenter watching American views as a "freak athlete" is based on looks alone. It's kind of funny, actually.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 9:51 am to SprintFun
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We dominate the winter and summer olympics. We own basketball globally. Have the best baseball league in the world. We can't be awesome at everything.
we defeated the greatest army in the world with farmers and kids. we can do anything
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