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Posted on 11/19/14 at 2:00 pm to bamafan425
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If Ohio State had beat Auburn or LSU, they'd get the same credit. It's not some conspiracy.
This
Posted on 11/19/14 at 2:01 pm to ballscaster
quote:Conference champions should only be devalued when an upset occurs in the CCG. The Big 12 right now, IMO, has the best format for determining their champion. They play everyone in their league and best record wins.
Conference championships refer to but a fraction of one's season. Why base playoff berths on part of the season when we have the whole season to which to refer?
Any league with CCG has a chance of screwing over the "best" team in the league if they lose to a 9-3 team from the other division in the CCG.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 2:03 pm to jg8623
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To me, 2011 was completely wrong. I think if LSU had lost 9-6 @ Bama, then LSU would have had a much better argument since they lost on the road and road games = 3 points in the NFL usually. Bama losing at home in November to me means there was a better team in their division by about 6 points (LSU won by 3 and Bama had a 3 point advantage).
I get your point, but youre really throwing in the 3 point vegas rule for the NFL???
I put that in because I'm pretty sure it is a bigger home field advantage in college for a lot of teams. I made the argument more conservative. Phil Steele gives Bama a 5.5 point advantage this year. That means LSU was more than a TD better on that day!
Posted on 11/19/14 at 2:03 pm to bamafan425
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If Ohio State had beat Auburn or LSU, they'd get the same credit. It's not some conspiracy.
They beat Sparty on the road who's at least the equal of those two (IMO).
Posted on 11/19/14 at 2:04 pm to VABuckeye
Posted on 11/19/14 at 2:06 pm to VABuckeye
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If Ohio State had beat Auburn or LSU, they'd get the same credit. It's not some conspiracy.
They beat Sparty on the road who's at least the equal of those two (IMO).
They're not getting credit for that win?
Posted on 11/19/14 at 2:14 pm to The Mick
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I disagree with Scruffy. Bama dropped to 4th after the LSU loss but returned to #2 just two weeks later and reestablished itself at that spot for the remaining 3 or so weeks. Okie Stat's loss happened the week after Bama's loss. You know how it works.
Which showed that who you lost to also mattered back then.
Bama's loss to LSU was weighed better than OSU's loss to Iowa State.
In the case of this season, OSU would've lost to Va Tech at home which is significantly worse than MSU losing on the road to #1 Bama (if they win out).
People forget how strong OSU's wins were that year with like 8 or 9 top 50 wins. It was absurd that Bama with like 3 got in, but it was all predicated on their loss.
This post was edited on 11/19/14 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 11/19/14 at 2:16 pm to KosmoCramer
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Being shut out by the worst team in the division that hasn't won a conference game in two years might be a reason.
And this horrible team that would be MSU's third best win at best beat your 2nd best win on a neutral site. What's your point? You'd have worse wins and a much worse loss yet would deserve to be in the playoffs more because you play in a crap conference?
Your conferences 2nd/3rd best team may very well have lost to the SEC West's 6th or 7th best team. Think about that.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 2:20 pm to Geauxgurt
And the worst team in the B1G beat the best team in the SEC East.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 2:29 pm to KosmoCramer
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And the worst team in the B1G beat the best team in the SEC East.
And that team hasn't beaten a top 4 SEC West team. Your point? If Mizzou somehow makes it to the SEC title game and gets beat by Bama, then your argument is meaningless.
In the end, the Big Ten is a joke and OSU is overrated as hell. They are not even at the same level as their last to BCS title game teams that lost by an average of 20.5 points to SEC opponents on a neutral site.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 2:41 pm to Geauxgurt
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the worst team in the B1G beat the best team in the SEC East
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In the end, the Big Ten is a joke
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They are not even at the same level as their last to BCS title game teams that lost by an average of 20.5 points to SEC opponents on a neutral site
Jesus what a terrible counterpoint. You're trying to compare games that were played 7 and 8 years ago to today? Are you stupid?
Posted on 11/19/14 at 2:42 pm to VABuckeye
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They beat Sparty on the road who's at least the equal of those two (IMO).
And Ohio State gets credit for that one win. Miss State has two wins of similar caliber (one on the road, one at home). No need in even comparing the losses for each team.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 2:46 pm to bamafan425
Agree on the losses. Sparty is number 11 though and likely to finish in the top 10. No comparison with that win on the road and any single win that Miss State has. It's a superior win. We just need MOAR! 
Posted on 11/19/14 at 3:32 pm to VABuckeye
1. You shouldn't have to win the division to go to a 4 team playoff. If you took out Alabama and Miss St. and put the Broncos and Patriots in the SEC West would you still argue the Broncos should be left out because they didn't win their division?
2. The SEC West is 30-3 vs. the rest of football so you need to factor that in when saying a 5-5 Arkansas team sucks because they're 6th in the west (notice Vegas has them as a top 20 team).
3. How you lose and who you lose to matter. When considering a loss I think you have to consider who else would have lost @Tuscaloosa last week (most if not every other team in football). Hard to penalize a team for losing a game that any other opponent would have lost as well. When Ohio State lost to Virginia Tech MOST teams would have won result than Miss. State's.
Not all conferences are the same so stop saying Power 5 conferences, this isn't the NFL where there's a salary cap and every team has elite players. LSU and Arkansas are the worst teams in the SEC West but could easily win divisions in other power 5 conferences so stop using that term.
2. The SEC West is 30-3 vs. the rest of football so you need to factor that in when saying a 5-5 Arkansas team sucks because they're 6th in the west (notice Vegas has them as a top 20 team).
3. How you lose and who you lose to matter. When considering a loss I think you have to consider who else would have lost @Tuscaloosa last week (most if not every other team in football). Hard to penalize a team for losing a game that any other opponent would have lost as well. When Ohio State lost to Virginia Tech MOST teams would have won result than Miss. State's.
Not all conferences are the same so stop saying Power 5 conferences, this isn't the NFL where there's a salary cap and every team has elite players. LSU and Arkansas are the worst teams in the SEC West but could easily win divisions in other power 5 conferences so stop using that term.
This post was edited on 11/19/14 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 11/19/14 at 3:35 pm to JB Bama
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LSU and Arkansas are the worst teams in the SEC West but could easily win divisions in other power 5 conferences so stop using that term.
When you lose also has something to do with things.
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When Ohio State lost to Virginia Tech MOST teams would have won in that situation
Say what? This makes no sense at all and isn't something you can prove. VA Tech absolutely played out of their mind that night. You can't say with any certainty that MOST teams would have won in that situation.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 3:35 pm to JB Bama
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2. The SEC West is 30-3 vs. the rest of footbal
This is the major reason why the computers love the SEC and the SEC in particular.
This is why having a rah rah conference attitude plays a role for your team.
You need teams to win OOC.
If Wisconsin beats LSU and Mich St. beats Oregon, Ohio State would be #1 in the country.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 3:41 pm to KosmoCramer
quote:But they didn't......
If Wisconsin beats LSU and Mich St. beats Oregon, Ohio State would be #1 in the country.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 3:42 pm to dante
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But they didn't......
Absolutely. And Miss State doesn't have a marquee win. Both are facts.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 3:45 pm to dante
Exactly, in a perfect world conferences would play only OOC games against other conferences. If each SEC team had 4 data points against other conferences then it would be so much easier to choose which conference is really the strongest, as it is we only have about 1-2 data points per conference so 15-20 instead of 80-100.
By having so few data points 1-2 games can totally swing the perception of a conference.
If you limited every power 5 conference to only playing within the power 5 conferences you'd quickly be able to establish which conference divisions are the strongest and you'd be much more able to compare a Miss. State to an Ohio State because there'd be a lot of crossover.
By having so few data points 1-2 games can totally swing the perception of a conference.
If you limited every power 5 conference to only playing within the power 5 conferences you'd quickly be able to establish which conference divisions are the strongest and you'd be much more able to compare a Miss. State to an Ohio State because there'd be a lot of crossover.
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