re: Sagarin's ranking of the 16 BCS Champs

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2011 Bama (third place in SEC)*asterisk

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Well played

I'm curious how 2010 AU, who played the toughest schedule out of any team on that list, is the lowest ranked undefeated team?

Holy shite this list is awful!!!

For starters, Mack Brown getting to much butt love, Miami 01 would beat the shite out of texas.

The 07 team is understandable but why does the 03 team always get underrated? That was a damn good team and so was Auburn 10

In 2007 if Ohio St had beaten LSU, by identical scores, where do you think they would have been ranked. Undefeated and led the nation in defence.

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UNBIASED

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Main problem with this, is Sagarin "modified" how he came up with his rankings several times.

Just this yr alone:

Apparently, Jeff Sagarin doesn't think his new and "improved version" of his new formula for the BCS to use is improved enough. He made a significant change to it again during the week, so now the data that appears on his site is very different than the data that was used by the BCS last week.

You may recall that last week, Sagarin introduced a new version of his Elo-based formulas. I wrote then that the column named "Elo Score," which is now described as including margin of victory, bore a very strong resemblance to the "Elo Chess" version it replaced, which Sagarin clamed did not contain MOV. Meanwhile, a new non-margin version called "Pure Elo" was introduced and would be the version the BCS would use.

However, those results were very counterintuitive. Seven FCS teams were in the top 25, led by Bethune-Cookman at No. 4. However, because of Sagarin's mid-week change, the Wildcats are now 67th, but still the top-rated FCS school. That's a pretty dramatic change.

These threads always turn into bitching and moaning and butthurt and pimping your own school and pushing bias.

As much talent as Miami 2001 had...I honestly don't know if I would pick them as my team to win any game among all the champs - if my life was on the line. That team was mentally iffy. They could brain fart the big game if their heart wasn't into it. Too many scrapes that year.

Despite losing one game - I'd probably go '08 Florida and Tebow...just edging out '04 USC "No Doubt" team - who also played with a similar chip on their shoulder and weren't going to be denied with Leinart/Bush. Followed by force of nature VY and '05 Texas and then '10 Auburn b/c of Cam.

These emotional things cannot be underestimated. '11 Bama could once again miss a bunch of FGs and screw the pooch. Whipping LSU given a 2nd chance doesn't impress me much...despite the talent on that team. They play too much as a team...and need everyone to play perfectly.

That's my Top 5 because I don't trust any other BCS winner...and I'm certainly not putting my life on the line with '02 Tressel-Ball - would have a heart attack just watching that "keep it close" to the end type of game by the sweater vest.

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For starters, Mack Brown getting to much butt love, Miami 01 would beat the shite out of texas.

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That 2001 Miami team may have been more talented than the 2005 Texas team, but they did have two close wins against mediocre opponents. The only close games that the Texas team had were the two that were supposed to be close. Sagarin's ratings justifiably take these sorts of things into consideration.

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In 2007 if Ohio St had beaten LSU, by identical scores, where do you think they would have been ranked. Undefeated and led the nation in defence.

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Ohio State wasn't undefeated in 2007, they were undefeated in 2006.

Poor 2011 lshoe...

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they're looked upon so highly because of how well so many of them have done in the pros. No one was calling them the greatest team of all time back in 01.

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this is largely true, but during that season, miami beat 2 top 20 teams back to back(syracuse and washington) by a combined score of about 130-14. there was chatter after that about miami potentially being an all time great team. In the 03 season, after oklahoma beat texas am by 70, there was talk of oklahoma being an all time great team. Obviously things didn't pan out for that OU team, while the performance of all those Miami 01 players in the NFL bolstered that argument.

I agree with Zamoro's statement, VY would have found a way to lead 05 texas over that miami team, and Carroll and Chow would have come up for a game plan for 04 SC to beat em as well.