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re: Resumes if Oregon, Texas, and Bama win
Posted on 11/30/23 at 1:10 pm to Wayne Campbell
Posted on 11/30/23 at 1:10 pm to Wayne Campbell
quote:That year I think the BCS computers(and voters) couldn’t stomach a top team allowing a 5-6 team to to make a bowl by beating the top team in the last week of the season while the other top team’s(Alabama) only loss was to a GOAT level LSU in OT.
2011 immediately comes to mind.
You just can’t go and lose to a team that needs to beat you to make a bowl in the last week of the regular season.
Alabama also had the best win between the 2. A top 5(ish?) Arkansas.
I think Ok St had slightly more top 25 wins.
I didn’t think Alabama being ranked 2 that season was mistake.
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Posted on 11/30/23 at 1:11 pm to Starchild
quote:What about Alabama vs Oregon?
First off, Texas beat Bama H2H in Tuscaloosa and pretty well controlled that game. That single point is most important in comparing the two.
Posted on 11/30/23 at 1:11 pm to ReauxlTide222
Argue resume for 2017 bama over 2017 wisky
Posted on 11/30/23 at 1:14 pm to lsupride87
Gonna take a minute. I’m about to be busy at work.
Posted on 11/30/23 at 1:17 pm to ReauxlTide222
I’ll help you
Wisky had 12 wins compared to bama 11
Wisky and bama both had zero top 15 wins, bama top win 2-3 sports better
Wisky played in a conf title game, bama didnt
Both teams losses were to top 10 teams, but wisky loss was higher ranked by 2-3 spots
Wisky only loss came due to playing an extra game bama djdnt quailing to play for
Wisky had 12 wins compared to bama 11
Wisky and bama both had zero top 15 wins, bama top win 2-3 sports better
Wisky played in a conf title game, bama didnt
Both teams losses were to top 10 teams, but wisky loss was higher ranked by 2-3 spots
Wisky only loss came due to playing an extra game bama djdnt quailing to play for
This post was edited on 11/30/23 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 11/30/23 at 1:22 pm to lsupride87
Seems pretty close to me.
Much different than ~5, 11, 13, 21 vs ~7, 20.
I also think it’s WAY less egregious to give a 2017 Alabama(or top SEC team) the benefit of the doubt than it is to randomly proclaim Oregon and the Pac 12 are just better and needing of the benefit of the doubt.
Who woke up this season and figured Oregon is simply better?
How can a committee come out and say OSU has to be #1 in the first poll bc of resume(ND and Penn State wins) but literally ignore the frick out of that criteria when it comes to Oregon and Alabama?
Alabama was better than Wisconsin in 2017.
Much different than ~5, 11, 13, 21 vs ~7, 20.
I also think it’s WAY less egregious to give a 2017 Alabama(or top SEC team) the benefit of the doubt than it is to randomly proclaim Oregon and the Pac 12 are just better and needing of the benefit of the doubt.
Who woke up this season and figured Oregon is simply better?
How can a committee come out and say OSU has to be #1 in the first poll bc of resume(ND and Penn State wins) but literally ignore the frick out of that criteria when it comes to Oregon and Alabama?
Alabama was better than Wisconsin in 2017.
Posted on 11/30/23 at 1:23 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:Yes, that is what the committee felt. This year they feel Oregon is better than bama
Alabama was better than Wisconsin in 2017.
I disagree with using that metric in both cases
2017 wisky deserved to be ahead of 2017 bama
2023 bama deserves to be ahead of 2023 Oregon
This post was edited on 11/30/23 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 11/30/23 at 1:24 pm to Jon Ham
quote:FIFY since you want to be so fricking obtuse about Texas being more deserving than Bama by virtue of actually beating Bama in Bama’s house
Bama: 3 top 15 wins, 1 loss to a one-loss team that lost to a 2 loss team
Posted on 11/30/23 at 1:34 pm to ReauxlTide222
It would really be determined by how it all plays out, particularly if games are close or a blowout. For it to matter, we’ll assume Michigan, FSU, Oregon, Texas, and Alabama all win.
Looking at the rankings as they are right now I just don’t see both Texas AND Alabama jumping Oregon after they’d have just beaten an undefeated top 3 team and avenged their only loss. Oregon would literally have to not move at all or move down for that to happen.
Alabama would have to beat the brakes off Georgia and have close games in the others to have a case, but I’m still skeptical. It’d probably wind up Michigan, FSU, Oregon, Texas. So it boils down to Texas or Alabama again anyway, and h2h decides it.
I think this is all a moot point anyway. Georgia is a better team than Alabama and will beat them imo.
Looking at the rankings as they are right now I just don’t see both Texas AND Alabama jumping Oregon after they’d have just beaten an undefeated top 3 team and avenged their only loss. Oregon would literally have to not move at all or move down for that to happen.
Alabama would have to beat the brakes off Georgia and have close games in the others to have a case, but I’m still skeptical. It’d probably wind up Michigan, FSU, Oregon, Texas. So it boils down to Texas or Alabama again anyway, and h2h decides it.
I think this is all a moot point anyway. Georgia is a better team than Alabama and will beat them imo.
Posted on 11/30/23 at 1:39 pm to Starchild
Question to all:
If Oregon and Texas win, who should be ranked higher, and why?
If Oregon and Texas win, who should be ranked higher, and why?
Posted on 11/30/23 at 1:40 pm to Jon Ham
Bama is not going to the playoffs
Posted on 11/30/23 at 1:47 pm to Starchild
quote:This wouldn’t be an issue at all if the committee had Oregon where they should be all year. Which I’ve said repeatedly since the 2nd poll.
Looking at the rankings as they are right now I just don’t see both Texas AND Alabama jumping Oregon after they’d have just beaten an undefeated top 3 team and avenged their only loss. Oregon would literally have to not move at all or move down for that to happen.
So now the committee can’t make the necessary changes to the ranking simply because…….they had them fricked up all along? That’s ridiculous.
Alabama SHOULD be ranked ahead of Oregon with a showdown against the #1 team in the country coming up. Not stuck behind an inferior resume unable to jump them.
If Alabama wins they will have a MUCH better resume. Not being able to jump Oregon and it being some sort of set in stone situation is fricking ridiculous.
Posted on 11/30/23 at 1:53 pm to sunnydaze
quote:Come prepared to debate that after Alabama slaps Georgia
Bama is not going to the playoffs
Posted on 11/30/23 at 1:57 pm to Jon Ham
Cool chart. When UGA wins the SECCG it will be a huge waste of your time
Posted on 11/30/23 at 3:25 pm to Jon Ham
quote:
The resumes aren’t equal. Bama’s is clearly stronger. There is no “tie.”
The last time I watched Bama they were needing a 4th and 31 Hailmary to beat a pretty bad Auburn team. Georgia should get in over Bama since their one loss would not be at home.
Bama is not going to the playoffs unless someone forfeits their spot.
Posted on 11/30/23 at 3:36 pm to rpg37
quote:It should be, but there's precedent that it's not.
First tie breaker is H2H. Bottom line.
2000, Miami and Fla State. Both finished with 1 loss, Miami beat Fla State head-to-head.
Florida State plays Oklahoma for National Title, because it had "the better loss". Miami plays in Sugar Bowl instead.
This year, it's setting up Bama and Texas for a repeat of that. If they both win their conference championships, Bama likely gets the nod, again having "a better loss" than Texas does.
*which is simply a way of saying "we like them more than you, so we're going to hold your record against you".
In Bama's favor, they would be beating UGA, the undefeated 2 time national champ, while Texas would be beating a 2 loss Oklahoma team.
In Texas' favor, they've looked strong recently, while Alabama needed a miracle to beat Auburn.
Posted on 11/30/23 at 3:37 pm to Scoob
quote:
It should be, but there's precedent that it's not.
2000
Posted on 11/30/23 at 3:45 pm to Jon Ham
Texas is better than Bama, we already know this. We saw it in Week 2, we saw it in Week 13.
Posted on 11/30/23 at 6:08 pm to Jon Ham
You really need to do something else with your time. You have made this same argument WAY too many times in the last 2 weeks. H2H should be, if possible, the first and only thing you look at if 2 teams have the same record and have comparable strength of schedules. Bama has a SOS of 4th. Texas is 5th. Bama has a margin of victory of +214, Texas is +216. Texas lost their game by 3 points, Bama by 10 AT HOME! You keep throwing out this top 15 thing as if that is the only stat that matters. You have used the argument that we shouldn’t judge a team based off of 8.33% of their work (the percentage of each game), yet you want to judge them based off of a ranking, which is completely subjective, of another team?
Posted on 11/30/23 at 6:58 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:
It should be, but there's precedent that it's not.
2000
Well, duh- precedent is set by something occurring in the past.
I figured most people would grasp that.
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