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re: PFT: NFL views DET situation as Lions trying "deception that backfired"; no changes coming
Posted on 1/1/24 at 11:36 am to bad93ex
Posted on 1/1/24 at 11:36 am to bad93ex
it appears the mistake Allen made is 68 Decker was reporting himself as eligible and Allen thought he was reporting 70 Skipper as eligible. Skipper said he never said anything to Allen during the exchange, Skipper was yelling to Decker and Sewell to get in the huddle
the easy procedure change is a player can only report himself as eligible, no speaking for anyone else
it was weird to me how rushed Allen seemed to be during the exchange, it was an untimed down, why be in such a hurry? Reff should be 100% focused to get it right first
also when the reff announced over the PA the wrong number eligible, why didnt the Lions Sideline say anything?
the easy procedure change is a player can only report himself as eligible, no speaking for anyone else
it was weird to me how rushed Allen seemed to be during the exchange, it was an untimed down, why be in such a hurry? Reff should be 100% focused to get it right first
also when the reff announced over the PA the wrong number eligible, why didnt the Lions Sideline say anything?
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Posted on 1/1/24 at 11:39 am to supatigah
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also when the reff announced over the PA the wrong number eligible, why didnt the Lions Sideline say anything?
I think they were banking on that happening and that the refs would roll with it.
Posted on 1/1/24 at 11:41 am to Kinderman
Typical from league office.
Accountability for thee but not for me...
Accountability for thee but not for me...
Posted on 1/1/24 at 11:49 am to Turbeauxdog
I agree with the NFL
Detroit tried to be deceitful and edged along the lines of cheating to get a cheap 2 pt play successful. And in doing that, they confused the officials also. So it didn’t work out for them. Boo fricking hoo Detroit. Maybe next time, just run a regular play. Or kick the XP when you get busted. OR… convert the 2 points on the following TWO plays you got to attempt AFTER the penalty
As someone else said, none of this even happens if Dallas isn’t called for tripping when a LIONS Dlineman sticks his own foot out to try and trip Pollard. Which would’ve made it 1st and 10 from about the 17 and Dallas takes 3 knees and ends the game
Detroit tried to be deceitful and edged along the lines of cheating to get a cheap 2 pt play successful. And in doing that, they confused the officials also. So it didn’t work out for them. Boo fricking hoo Detroit. Maybe next time, just run a regular play. Or kick the XP when you get busted. OR… convert the 2 points on the following TWO plays you got to attempt AFTER the penalty
As someone else said, none of this even happens if Dallas isn’t called for tripping when a LIONS Dlineman sticks his own foot out to try and trip Pollard. Which would’ve made it 1st and 10 from about the 17 and Dallas takes 3 knees and ends the game
Posted on 1/1/24 at 11:58 am to Finkle is Einhorn
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Detroit tried to be deceitful and edged along the lines of cheating to get a cheap 2 pt play successful.
It was a bush league play and off-brand for the Lions which makes it so odd.
Posted on 1/1/24 at 12:14 pm to bad93ex
They were playing with house money. They had just clinched their division the week before. They had nothing to lose in this game. That’s why they faked a punt and went for on 4th down so many times when they could’ve kicked fgs
Posted on 1/1/24 at 12:14 pm to Finkle is Einhorn
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Detroit tried to be deceitful and edged along the lines of cheating to get a cheap 2 pt play successful. And in doing that, they confused the officials also
Except for the fact that the Head Coach literally told the refs about this trick play before the game so it shouldn’t have been tricking the ref at all
(I love the NFL trying to call a trick play “deception” and “deceptive” to make it seem worse somehow)
Posted on 1/1/24 at 12:20 pm to Eighteen
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I love the NFL trying to call a trick play “deception” and “deceptive” to make it seem worse somehow)
How would you classify sending three OL at the ref when only one needed to report as eligible?
Posted on 1/1/24 at 12:22 pm to bad93ex
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bad93ex
You’re still trying to pretend like the Lions are to blame for the ref fricking up?
Posted on 1/1/24 at 12:23 pm to Eighteen
Yes and throughout the game Detroit had 70 go in and claim to be eligible. We don’t know what the coaches told the referees which I’ve heard the Detroit coaches didn’t talk to the head referee before the game about it. But what if they just said yea we’ve got a tackle eligible play we run on 2 pt plays. And weren’t really specific about it?
Posted on 1/1/24 at 12:23 pm to bad93ex
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LINK
Jan 10, 2015, 11:06 PM ET
FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- Baltimore Ravens coach John Harbaugh objected to what he called a "substitution trick" by the New England Patriots in the third quarter of Saturday's AFC divisional playoff game, saying it was "clearly deception" that he hopes the league examines.
John Harbaugh said he took an unsportsmanlike penalty in order to get officials' "attention so they would understand what was going on." The Ravens' coach objected to a Pats subbing pattern designed to keep his team off balance.
The Patriots dug into their bag of tricks on their second drive of the third quarter, lining up just four offensive linemen and declaring a normally eligible receiver as ineligible to keep Baltimore off balance. Ravens players were confused about which Patriots to match up with in coverage, and Harbaugh drew an unportsmanlike conduct penalty for running onto the field and screaming in objection.
Harbaugh said after the game that the officials "didn't understand what was going on." "We wanted an opportunity to be able to ID who the eligible players were," Harbaugh said. "What [the Patriots] were doing was they announce the ineligible player and then Tom [Brady] would take them to the line right away and snap the ball before we had a chance to figure out who was lined up where. That was the deception part of it. It was clearly deception.
"So the officials told me after that they would give us the opportunity to do that, which they probably should've done during that series but they didn't really understand what was happening. That's why I had to take the penalty, to get their attention so they would understand what was going on because they didn't understand what was going on. ... That's why guys were open, because we didn't ID where the eligible receivers were at."
Posted on 1/1/24 at 12:24 pm to RB10
The lions are absolutely to blame. It’s on the player(s) to make sure the referee marks them eligible. The lions players based on all the evidence we have, failed to do so
Posted on 1/1/24 at 12:25 pm to Finkle is Einhorn
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The lions are absolutely to blame. It’s on the player(s) to make sure the referee marks them eligible. The lions players based on all the evidence we have, failed to do so
So #68 went to the head official to tell him what, exactly?
Posted on 1/1/24 at 12:25 pm to bad93ex
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How would you classify sending three OL at the ref when only one needed to report as eligible?
They're trying to deceive the defense, which is the point of the game. And if the ref doesn't get confused the defense shouldn't be deceived anyway since the ref would tell them the correct lineman that is eligible.
Posted on 1/1/24 at 12:27 pm to Finkle is Einhorn
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We don’t know what the coaches told the referees which I’ve heard the Detroit coaches didn’t talk to the head referee before the game about it.
The exact opposite of this is true. Dan Campbell even said in his presser that he went through it “to a t” with the officials.
You’re flat out making shite up.
Posted on 1/1/24 at 12:28 pm to RB10
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You’re still trying to pretend like the Lions are to blame for the ref fricking up?
They heard #70 was eligible and not #68 but still ran the play. So, they’re part of the blame.
Posted on 1/1/24 at 12:28 pm to bad93ex
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They heard #70 was eligible and not #68 but still ran the play. So, they’re part of the blame.
Because players routinely listen to barely audible PA announcements while in the huddle, right?
Posted on 1/1/24 at 12:29 pm to saintsfan22
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They're trying to deceive the defense, which is the point of the game. And if the ref doesn't get confused the defense shouldn't be deceived anyway since the ref would tell them the correct lineman that is eligible.
The ref is supposed to inform the defense and announce over the PA who is eligible. It’s an idiotic play from the Lions and it burnt them.
Posted on 1/1/24 at 12:30 pm to bad93ex
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The ref is supposed to inform the defense and announce over the PA who is eligible. It’s an idiotic play from the Lions and it burnt them.
This was a bad take Saturday. It’s a retarded take on Monday.
Choose a different hill to die on.
Posted on 1/1/24 at 12:31 pm to RB10
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Because players routinely listen to barely audible PA announcements while in the huddle, right?
There is a shite right by the lions huddle before the play where you can hear it plain as day. Also lions coaching staff can inform Goff that 68 is not eligible.
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