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re: Peter Gammons Rant about the Astros
Posted on 3/20/13 at 12:54 pm to Prominentwon
Posted on 3/20/13 at 12:54 pm to Prominentwon
quote:drafting high means little unless you have a solid director of player personnel, solid scouting department, and solid minor league coaching staffs
Prominentwon
Quinton McCracken was named Astros director of player development on Oct. 19, 2012.
Quinton, 42, spent the last two seasons working in the Arizona D-backs' front office as their assistant director of player development. In that role, he worked with all aspects of Arizona's minor league system and served as a liaison between the Major League club and their minor league affiliates.
Two seasons of previous experience for director of player development....we shall see
Mike Elias joined the Astros in January, 2012 as a special assistant to General Manager Jeff Luhnow and was named director of amateur scouting on August 11, 2012. In his new role, he leads Houston's amateur scouting efforts after spending the last year contributing across multiple aspects of baseball operations, including the evaluation of talent for the amateur draft, trades, international free agency, and the Astros' farm system.
director of amateur scout is 30 years old. Thirty...we shall see
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Posted on 3/20/13 at 12:54 pm to CQQ
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One thing that needs to be done, and soon, is this freaking Comcast deal. I don't care how bad they are, I want to be able to watch it.
Yeah no kidding. It's getting ridiculous.
I have CSN and I am so tired of seeing the commercials calling out people, saying they need to call their providers and demand CSN.
If you can only watch CSN if you're a comcast subscriber, then why the hell even air that commercial? Only YOUR customers are seeing it.
Posted on 3/20/13 at 12:57 pm to Rouge
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Rouge
They've got a plan in place. No doubt.
I wouldn't be surprised if Luhnow himself isn't playing a prominent role in scouting.
Posted on 3/20/13 at 12:57 pm to Cajun Revolution
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I don't think it takes a great farm system to develop top 10 picks.
Sure it does. Going back the last 10 drafts, here's how the top 10 and next 10 of the 1st round shaped up. MLB regular is defined as either an all star, starter for 2 years, or on a 25 man roster for 3 years.
2002: top 10: 4 MLB regulars. 2 all stars
next 10: 7 MLB regulars. 4 all stars
2003: top 10: 3 MLB regulars. 1 all star
next 10: 6 MLB regulars. 2 all stars
2004: top 10: 3 MLB regulars. 1 all star
next 10: 6 MLB regulars. 2 all stars
2005: top 10: 8 MLB regulars. 5 all stars
next 10: 5 MLB regulars. 2 all star
2006: top 10: 8 MLB regulars. 3 all stars
next 10: 7 MLB regulars. 0 all stars
2007: top 10: 6 MLB regulars. 2 all stars
next 10: 5 MLB regulars. 1 all star
2008: top 10: 7 MLB regulars. 1 all star
next 10: 6 MLB regulars. 0 all stars
2009: top 10: 5 MLB regulars. 1 all star. 1 top 100 prospect
next 10: 4 MLB regulars. 1 all star. 1 top 100 prospect
2010: top 10: 1 MLB regulars. 1 all star. 2 top 100 prospects
next 10: 1 MLB regular. 1 all star. 1 top 100 prospect.
2011-2012 is still considered a work in progress, so i won't include those.
However, out of that sample, picks 11-20 produced 47 MLB regulars to 45 regulars for the top 10. Picks 11-20 produced 13 all stars compared to the top 10 producing 17 all stars.
So, i would say the top 10 is SLIGHTLY better, but your chance of a bust is just as high.
If you're gonna argue top pick, then from 2002-2010, only 3 out of 9 have become all stars and there were some MAJOR busts in there like Delmon Young, Tim Beckham, Matt Bush, and Luke Hochevar.
Like i said earlier. You have to be a good organization no matter what your budget is.
Posted on 3/20/13 at 12:58 pm to TXGunslinger10
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They've got a plan in place. No doubt.
I wouldn't be surprised if Luhnow himself isn't playing a prominent role in scouting.
perhaps, but they guys they have in important positions have so little experience. it is a bit concerning on the surface
Posted on 3/20/13 at 12:58 pm to Rouge
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Two seasons of previous experience for director of player development....we shall see
They're contenders with a solid young group.
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director of amateur scout is 30 years old. Thirty...we shall see
Luhnow makes the final calls...
Posted on 3/20/13 at 1:00 pm to Rouge
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perhaps, but they guys they have in important positions have so little experience.
With the job Luhnow has done so far, I he is completely capable of doing the job. Just for shite's and giggles, who has the #1 farm system in baseball right now?
Posted on 3/20/13 at 1:01 pm to Smokedawg
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Screw Gammons. The Astros can do whatever they want, they have already been screwed by being forced to the AL.
THIS x1000
Posted on 3/20/13 at 1:02 pm to Prominentwon
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Luhnow makes the final calls...
Bingo.
For years the astros were trying to position themselves for a postseason run that the foundation of the organization slowly started falling to shite.
So Luhnow is building it back the right way...and the reason why I can stomach what he's doing is that, once we finally get there, the system is built for long time sustained success.
Posted on 3/20/13 at 1:04 pm to Prominentwon
quote:widely considered to be the Cardinals
who has the #1 farm system in baseball right now?
Posted on 3/20/13 at 1:07 pm to Rouge
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widely considered to be the Cardinals
Posted on 3/20/13 at 1:07 pm to Rouge
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widely considered to be the Cardinals
Jeff Luhnow
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He worked for the St. Louis Cardinals in their scouting department from 2003 through 2011.
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During his time with the Cardinals, he developed a reputation for scouting and player development, and he is credited with having a key role in the team's successes in the minor leagues. The Cardinals won five minor league championships under his watch, and had the best system-wide minor league record in 2010.[6][7] From 2005 to 2007, the first three Cardinals drafts overseen by Luhnow produced 24 future major leaguers, the most of any team during that period. Several players who made important contributions to the Cardinals' victory in the 2011 World Series, including Jaime Garcia, Allen Craig, Jon Jay and Lance Lynn, were drafted during Luhnow's tenure.
This post was edited on 3/20/13 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 3/20/13 at 1:08 pm to timbo
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Baseball needs a hard salary cap and a salary floor.
Posted on 3/20/13 at 1:09 pm to Prominentwon
good pedigree. hope it translates. looking forward to several games in the juice box this season
Posted on 3/20/13 at 1:11 pm to Prominentwon
Competitive or contending?
Without spending any money, you're quite optimistic. Once these players arrive in threes(if they don't flame out), it's going to take multiple years for them to fully "arrive".
The 20 year rebuilding plan of Pittsburgh Pirates is not a good plan... especially if you have the financial means to help the cause.
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I give them 3 years. That's my expectations.
Springer, Deshields, and Singleton are all bright prospects.
Keep Altuve and Castro around (if Castro can stay healthy and you'll have a solid nucleus.
You go from there.
Without spending any money, you're quite optimistic. Once these players arrive in threes(if they don't flame out), it's going to take multiple years for them to fully "arrive".
The 20 year rebuilding plan of Pittsburgh Pirates is not a good plan... especially if you have the financial means to help the cause.
Posted on 3/20/13 at 1:15 pm to H-Town Tiger
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I get what you are saying, but they are going to be bad regardless so we are talking about degress. 58-64 wins vs 68-74. Historically bad vs just crappy, neither will draw fans.
Both are crappy but one shows the fans you actually give a crap. I have to reiterate, I'm not talking about spending tons of money here, but there's no reason to just sit on the money. Invest it back in the ball club and it'll pay off in the long run.
They're making money with revenue sharing and pocketing the money from not investing back into the club. Remember, only x amount of dollars can go into prospects these days. It's the same amount for every ball club.
This post was edited on 3/20/13 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 3/20/13 at 1:16 pm to papz
I wish one of these teams who are thrown together for cheap would go Major League on the owner, win the whole things, and ruin his life.
Posted on 3/20/13 at 1:17 pm to beebefootballfan
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I wish one of these teams who are thrown together for cheap would go Major League on the owner, win the whole things, and ruin his life.
Uhhh....
Posted on 3/20/13 at 1:32 pm to papz
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Without spending any money, you're quite optimistic
They're not spending money right now because there's no need to. I think you're missing the whole point of what they're doing here.
Once these young prospects get into the ranks and show the capability of competing on the field, THEN you go out and spend money on FA's. Like I said, now is not the time to waste money on FA's just because you want to put fans in the seats.
If they wanted to do that, I think they would have went after some big, but washed up FA's this year. That's what Uncle Drayton tried to do.
What you're seeing now is the product of doing what he did.
Posted on 3/20/13 at 1:47 pm to beebefootballfan
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I wish one of these teams who are thrown together for cheap would go Major League on the owner, win the whole things, and ruin his life.
You're smart
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