- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
1
Posted on 3/20/13 at 10:52 am to Prominentwon
quote:
Hopefully they work out their deals with the major cable companies.
the problem here though is people aren't going to demand the product while they suck hind tit for a few more years. Either they or the Rockets need to have a good season and soon.
Posted on 3/20/13 at 11:17 am to papz
quote:
But investing, you increase your chances of winning.
Not really. Not with what the previous regime left you. Crane wanted a clean slate to work with.....
Bringing in B list free agents isn't going to do much to help. So why waste money on the 2-3 year contracts? By the time their contract is up, THAT'S when Houston should start winning games. So you basically wasted money on those 2-3 years because that FA didn't help anything. His presence was moot.
Posted on 3/20/13 at 11:18 am to teke184
quote:
It was a huge mistake by baseball
I don't see the big deal about any of this and feel like you guys are overreacting. But that's just me. To each their own.
Posted on 3/20/13 at 11:19 am to tmc94
quote:yep
Had no idea the Astros were moved to the AL West.
complete and total travesmockery
having both texas teams in the same division is insanity
Posted on 3/20/13 at 11:22 am to Rouge
quote:
if you know that you are not going to win, why invest (read as "waste") the extra money?
agreed
people in america have a problem with teams admitting they can't compete
i get the whole "teams at the bottom suck up revenue sharing" argument, but it goes beyond that
it's part of the american mythos that trying means more than the result. i got into a big argument on the movie board about this last week. people want to see them trying to compete now, even if it's futile
Posted on 3/20/13 at 11:29 am to Prominentwon
quote:
I don't see the big deal about any of this and feel like you guys are overreacting. But that's just me. To each their own.
I live in DFW. I'm an Astros fan. I've also been a casual Rangers fan. Now they are division rivals. Guess what? frick the Rangers. They just lost a fan who went to 6-7 games a year.
I also hate the fricking AL. I'm an NL guy. I don't give a flying frick about any AL teams. And now my team is in the AL? Well, I'm excited for all those Angels and Indians games, let me tell you! frick this shite. It was a horrible decision. Move the fricking Brewers back. No one gives a shite about them anyway.
But that's just me. To each their own.
Posted on 3/20/13 at 11:36 am to Prominentwon
quote:
Not really. Not with what the previous regime left you. Crane wanted a clean slate to work with.....
Bringing in B list free agents isn't going to do much to help. So why waste money on the 2-3 year contracts? By the time their contract is up, THAT'S when Houston should start winning games. So you basically wasted money on those 2-3 years because that FA didn't help anything. His presence was moot.
I understand your point... but while it may not work, it certainly could. A team like Oakland seems to pull something out their behind all the time. I understand there are two sides to the coin. I also don't view it as wasting money either... if the team in a market such as Houston would field even a decent team while rebuilding, you make some of that money back as fans come out to the ballpark.
I'm not taking about raising their payroll up to 60-80 million, although they're more than capable in doing so, but there needs to be a floor. Do you disagree?
Posted on 3/20/13 at 11:38 am to papz
quote:
He could easily add 40 million more to payroll and field a competitive team while rebuilding at the same time
Really? Who could they have gotten that would have made them legit contenders and not just improve from 58 wins to 65?
The other side of this that gets ignored is guarenteed contracts. BJ Upton signed a 5 yr $75M contract this year. He hasn't hit better than .250 since 2008. How many extra games would he help the Astros win? 1 maybe 2? BFD. They got into this decline because the old owner ignored the minors and keep trying to field a "competitive team" by signing free agents like Carlos Lee who was good the first year or 2 of the contract, but by year 5 and 6 was a worthless, fat tub of goo getting $15M or whatever.
Posted on 3/20/13 at 11:39 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
people want to see them trying to compete now
I think it's more or less of wanting to put a decent and respectable product on the field. If they want to compete right away, they'd have to add an exponential amount of payroll... which they are also capable of doing. But obviously, there's more than one way to build a ball club.
Posted on 3/20/13 at 11:40 am to H-Town Tiger
There's a big difference in the word "competitive" as opposed to contending.
Are you an Astro's fan?
If you are, would you be okay if the Astros decided they were going to have a payroll of less than 25 million for the next couple of years knowingly they could be in the 60's easily?
Are you an Astro's fan?
If you are, would you be okay if the Astros decided they were going to have a payroll of less than 25 million for the next couple of years knowingly they could be in the 60's easily?
This post was edited on 3/20/13 at 11:45 am
Posted on 3/20/13 at 11:41 am to tmc94
quote:
also hate the fricking AL. I'm an NL guy. I don't give a flying frick about any AL teams. And now my team is in the AL? Well, I'm excited for all those Angels and Indians games, let me tell you! frick this shite. It was a horrible decision. Move the fricking Brewers back
Posted on 3/20/13 at 11:44 am to papz
quote:
There's a big difference in the word "competitive" as opposed to contending.
fair enough but in the end going 58-104 or 70-92 both suck, both are teams out of it by Labor Day, so who really cares? IF they put the money into the minor leagues and developing players it's better than burning millions of dollars of B-C level free agents that will be gone by the team could be contending.
Posted on 3/20/13 at 11:46 am to H-Town Tiger
There isn't a reason why they couldn't do both... which is my main point.
Posted on 3/20/13 at 11:47 am to H-Town Tiger
quote:
They got into this decline because the old owner ignored the minors and keep trying to field a "competitive team" by signing free agents like Carlos Lee who was good the first year or 2 of the contract, but by year 5 and 6 was a worthless, fat tub of goo getting $15M or whatever.
Posted on 3/20/13 at 11:49 am to papz
quote:
If you are, would you be okay if the Astros decided they were going to have a payroll of less than 25 million for the next couple of years knowingly they could be in the 60's easily?
Love the Astros. I have absolutely no problem with what they are doing now with their club.
Have you looked at the farm system? I'd MUCH prefer to be terrible now and contend in 2-3 years than just be average for 4-5 then POSSIBLY contend. Spend the money on the young talent and raise them up. Once they're contending with the young talent, THEN you spend money on holes you may have on A-B list Free Agents.
There's absolutely no reason to bring in big names right now. NONE.
Posted on 3/20/13 at 11:51 am to DEANintheYAY
Astros are trying to be the nationals and rays.
It's the new way of succeeding
It's the new way of succeeding
Posted on 3/20/13 at 11:52 am to papz
quote:
There isn't a reason why they couldn't do both... which is my main point.
How exactly do you send the money on both? I mean if they spent $75M on BJ Upton for 5 years, that's $75M they don't have to spend on the minors.
The previous regine could have gotten more in trades for older players prehaps, but that's over and done with.
Posted on 3/20/13 at 11:53 am to Cajun Revolution
quote:without the cant miss prospects like Harper, Stras, Price, Moore, Longo, etc.
Astros are trying to be the nationals and rays.
Posted on 3/20/13 at 11:54 am to Rouge
quote:
without the cant miss prospects like Harper, Stras, Price, Moore, Longo, etc.
Yeah, because those guys come around every year and are available at every corner
Page 3 of 7
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News