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re: New MLB Commissioner Rob Manfred "Open" to Eliminating Defensive Shifts

Posted on 1/26/15 at 5:37 pm to
Posted by beauchristopher
new orleans
Member since Jan 2008
65839 posts
Posted on 1/26/15 at 5:37 pm to
You are a professional hitter.

Learn to hit the other way.. or where they are not. That's the beauty of it all. I like challenging all these pull hitters.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 1/26/15 at 6:17 pm to
but again.... shifts are not the reason scoring is down.....

Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
34611 posts
Posted on 1/26/15 at 7:25 pm to
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Yes, you can only have one player in foul territory the catcher.



Yeah, I was just wondering if it has actually ever had to be enforced.

I've read somewhere that the umpire can warn the player and then eject him.





In the 80's, Keith Hernandez used to take his position just outside the first-base like. A lefty, his glove hand would be in better position to field pick-off throws. He was made to take position back inside the lines, I believe after someone complained about it.


ETA More like one foot in and one foot outside the foul line.
This post was edited on 1/26/15 at 7:33 pm
Posted by Open Your Eyes
Member since Nov 2012
9252 posts
Posted on 1/26/15 at 9:00 pm to
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To be clear, I think teams should still be able to put as many infielders on one side of 2nd base as they want. This would still make it rewarding for a player hitting against the shift to go the other way.


Yes, you've made that quite clear throughout this thread. What you haven't made clear is why this shift is ok, but the 2nd baseman being in shallow right field is not ok.

You also keep saying this is a good idea because it will increase offense. Is there some type of metric out there that shows which shift has taken more runs away, 3 on one side of infield or 4th outfielder?
Posted by Overbrook
Member since May 2013
6086 posts
Posted on 1/26/15 at 9:26 pm to
You realize that St Louis gets an extra sandwich pick each year because they are deemed "small market".
More of the legacy of Selig, one of the worst major sports commissioners of the last 35 years.
Posted by rockchlkjayhku11
Cincinnati, OH
Member since Aug 2006
36449 posts
Posted on 1/26/15 at 9:37 pm to


DeVanzo shift.
Posted by Smalls
Southern California
Member since Jul 2009
10245 posts
Posted on 1/26/15 at 9:50 pm to
Holy hell. It's not even logical.
Posted by BayouBengals03
lsu14always
Member since Nov 2007
99999 posts
Posted on 1/26/15 at 10:03 pm to
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Then it isn't for you.

Is this what baseball is going to say to all of the younger generations? Because a lot of the younger generation really isn't too interested in the game, compared to younger generations of the past.

If so, then that's a horrible strategy.

This is a business.
Posted by piggidyphish
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2009
18880 posts
Posted on 1/27/15 at 8:04 am to
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You realize that St Louis gets an extra sandwich pick each year because they are deemed "small market".


Yea that's laughable. That should be Manfred's first "fix."
Posted by LST
Member since Jan 2007
16316 posts
Posted on 1/27/15 at 8:39 am to
So where do you draw the line? You can only have 4 guys on the infield? What about a late game situation where you know a ball to the outfield will get you beat, so you bring in a 5th infielder? That shift is more situational and not based on the hitter.
This post was edited on 1/27/15 at 8:40 am
Posted by stat19
Member since Feb 2011
29350 posts
Posted on 1/27/15 at 9:06 am to
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This guy may be a bigger dumbass than Selig.


That would be a very difficult goal to achieve.
Posted by Wayne Campbell
Aurora, IL
Member since Oct 2011
6366 posts
Posted on 1/27/15 at 10:54 am to
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Shifts are a contributor, but not a big one. BIS estimated the number of runs saved via shifting in 2014 at 195 runs across the majors -- or 6.5 runs per team, on average, over the entire season.


I'd be interested in knowing how they factored runs saved by shifting. To me, if the SS or 3B is playing traditional 2B, then the shift isn't responsible for the out if a ball is hit to that position.

Basically, in my opinion, the only time the shift "works" is when a hard hit ball goes to the 2B playing shallow RF. Otherwise, its just a ball hit to a normal position, just not a position being manned by the usual player.
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