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re: New MLB Commissioner Rob Manfred "Open" to Eliminating Defensive Shifts
Posted on 1/25/15 at 12:04 pm to msutiger
Posted on 1/25/15 at 12:04 pm to msutiger
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It's boring because you have pitchers taking 45 seconds in between pitches.
That's one thing on a long list that makes baseball boring to a lot of people.
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Posted on 1/25/15 at 12:08 pm to msutiger
That is just stupid
Posted on 1/25/15 at 12:09 pm to BayouBengals03
i'll play devil's advocate... absurd shifts are probably costing hitters in stats and contract value and making pitching stats look better than they should be
but it is an element of team strategy in a game that doesn't run on it. baseball is still a game of individual players making plays regardless.
but it is an element of team strategy in a game that doesn't run on it. baseball is still a game of individual players making plays regardless.
Posted on 1/25/15 at 12:09 pm to msutiger
Baseball has a pitch timer, umpires just refuse to enforce it
Posted on 1/25/15 at 12:11 pm to chalmetteowl
quote:
i'll play devil's advocate... absurd shifts are probably costing hitters in stats and contract value and making pitching stats look better than they should be
but it is an element of team strategy in a game that doesn't run on it. baseball is still a game of individual players making plays regardless.
If this rule change is put into place, no one will care within two years. It'll just be part of the game.
Baseball fans get too crazy over rule changes. The league is trying to be progressive and make the game more watchable for younger fans. Not the 60 year-olds who are going to watch regardless.
Posted on 1/25/15 at 12:12 pm to PrimeTime Money
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That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. There are no "positions" on a baseball field
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4 outfielders
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and no second baseman
Did you mean no set positions?
Posted on 1/25/15 at 12:25 pm to BayouBengals03
I hate the shifts and want a shot clock and dh in natl league
This post was edited on 1/25/15 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 1/25/15 at 12:32 pm to SirWinston
I'm fine with playing 3 infielders on one side of the diamond. Keep the infielders in the infield. That's my only beef.
Up until, what, 10 years ago, none of these extreme shifts were happening. So it'll go back to how it was for 100 years before that.
It's not taking all of the strategy out of the game. You can still shift, just not with a 4th outfielder.
Sports change rules all the time as a result of what happens on the field/court. I really don't think this would be a big deal at all.
Up until, what, 10 years ago, none of these extreme shifts were happening. So it'll go back to how it was for 100 years before that.
It's not taking all of the strategy out of the game. You can still shift, just not with a 4th outfielder.
Sports change rules all the time as a result of what happens on the field/court. I really don't think this would be a big deal at all.
Posted on 1/25/15 at 12:38 pm to BayouBengals03
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This post was edited on 4/10/23 at 2:39 am
Posted on 1/25/15 at 12:38 pm to BayouBengals03
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I also think the NL should adopt the DH, which would make the game way more exciting.
NL baseball is more exciting than AL baseball. The DH takes away a dimension of the game. AL managers manage a clubhouse and make a lineup card. That's about it.
Posted on 1/25/15 at 12:39 pm to motorbreath
NL baseball is not more exciting. After the Astros switched over, I have grown to love the DH. It's nice not having a borderline automatic out at the bottom of the order
Posted on 1/25/15 at 12:42 pm to msutiger
The frick?
Posted on 1/25/15 at 12:42 pm to BayouBengals03
quote:No it doesn't. Sit down and be quiet.
but this crap where the 2nd baseman is 100 feet into the outfield needs to stop.
Posted on 1/25/15 at 12:45 pm to BayouBengals03
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I'm fine with playing 3 infielders on one side of the diamond. Keep the infielders in the infield. That's my only beef.
Why is 3 infielders on one side ok but not a 4th outfielder?
I can't tell if you're trolling or not.
Posted on 1/25/15 at 12:46 pm to BayouBengals03
quote:You joking, right?
You should be able to put as many players on one side of the infield as you'd like, but this crap where the 2nd baseman is 100 feet into the outfield needs to stop.
Also, and I'll admit i haven't read the article yet...but how is this going to be policed? Will they have some inbounds type lines, big circles where each infielder must start the play inside the circle?
This post was edited on 1/25/15 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 1/25/15 at 12:48 pm to msutiger
let's let this sink in the next time we discuss if baseball or football is more complex and which uses more strategy
baseball is contemplating banning putting defensive players in slightly different positioning than a traditional alignment
let's let this sink in
baseball is contemplating banning putting defensive players in slightly different positioning than a traditional alignment
let's let this sink in
Posted on 1/25/15 at 12:48 pm to chalmetteowl
quote:Should be?
absurd shifts are probably costing hitters in stats and contract value and making pitching stats look better than they should be
How's it any different than guarding the lines, middle infielders playing for the double play, and outfielders playing deep/shallow or shading pull/opposite field hitters?
All of those things make pitchers better than they "should be", and this one is literally no different. I know you're playing devil's advocate, but it just didn't make sense IMO.
This post was edited on 1/25/15 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 1/25/15 at 12:50 pm to BayouBengals03
quote:
Up until, what, 10 years ago, none of these extreme shifts were happening. So it'll go back to how it was for 100 years before that.
Extreme shifts go back to the 1920s. St. Louis used a shift against Ted Williams in the '46 World Series.
People can blame the shift all they want for decreasing excitement in the game, but at the end of the day, it's a risk/reward defense.
All a guy has to do is hit it the other way and its a guaranteed hit.
Posted on 1/25/15 at 12:51 pm to Wayne Campbell
You literally just need to bunt away from the shift and you can walk to first
Posted on 1/25/15 at 12:53 pm to chalmetteowl
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i'll play devil's advocate... absurd shifts are probably costing hitters in stats and contract value and making pitching stats look better than they should be
So next we should be talking about banning managers from bringing in a pitcher to face only 1 single batter, right? Or bringing in a closer in the 9th? Because both of those things cost hitters stats and contract value and make pitchers stats better than they should be
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