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NBA Fans... Difference between today's game and 10+ years ago
Posted on 2/27/16 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 2/27/16 at 2:21 pm
With all of these retired players coming out to bash the Warriors it brings about a talking point. Could the Warriors play in any era? Granted rules have changed to allow more ball movement and less physical play, but players are more skilled/athletic than before. We also have more players of similar sizes playing now, you look across the NBA and you have players that can play multiple positions vs just 1.
So could the Warriors compete in any basketball era? Against the Celtics teams of the 60's, the Lakers/Celtics of the 70's and 80's, the Pistons/Bulls of the 90's, the Lakers/Spurs of 00's, and the Heat of 10's?
Some quotes from retired players:
Steve Kerr and his rebuttal,
So could the Warriors compete in any basketball era? Against the Celtics teams of the 60's, the Lakers/Celtics of the 70's and 80's, the Pistons/Bulls of the 90's, the Lakers/Spurs of 00's, and the Heat of 10's?
Some quotes from retired players:
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Hall of Famer Oscar Robertson told ESPN's Mike & Mike on Thursday that Curry's success is largely due to today's style of play, which isn't as physical as back in the day. Another Hall of Famer, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, concurs.
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On top of that, retired stars Stephen Jackson (2006-07 Warriors) and Cedric Ceballos (1993-94 Suns) both have said their former teams could have beaten this Warriors team
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"I just don't think coaches today in basketball understand the game of basketball," Robertson said. "They don't know anything about defenses. They don't know what people are doing on the court. [Curry] has shot well because of what's going on in basketball today.
"... When I played years ago, if you shot a shot outside and hit it, the next time I'm going to be up on top of you. I'm going to pressure you with three-quarters, half-court defense. But now they don't do that. These coaches do not understand the game of basketball, as far as I'm concerned."
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Steph Curry, unbelievable shooter, but [Kevin Johnson] was a point guard's nightmare because he was so strong and he loved going to the basket," Ceballos told Fox Sports Radio, explaining why he believed his Suns team -- which included Charles Barkley, Dan Majerle, Danny Ainge and Tom Chambers -- could beat these Warriors in a playoff series.
"That's one thing these teams don't do: they do not expose Steph and the way he plays defense. I don't think we would have a problem with this Golden State team."
Steve Kerr and his rebuttal,
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A player from any era would be unable to guard Steph Curry. It doesn't matter who you're talking about. No one could guard Steph Curry," Kerr said. "He's too quick, too skilled, too good. You can make all sorts of other arguments. In the '90s, there were all type of dominant big men. There aren't many these days, that's true. The game was different then. ... There's more ball movement, there's more liked-sized players on the court. So things change, but I just can't see how anybody would think that Steph would have been guardable 30 years ago, 20 years ago, whatever."
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Posted on 2/27/16 at 2:22 pm to tduecen
Didn't read but Jordan >>>>>>>> lebron. /thread
Posted on 2/27/16 at 2:31 pm to Fearthehat0307
Coke
/thread
/thread
Posted on 2/27/16 at 2:35 pm to tduecen
the NBA changed it with their discipline procedures... you can't hack anybody anymore...
as well you shouldn't, basketball isn't a contact sport
what Steph would have got every night in the 80s, guys get suspended for it now
as well you shouldn't, basketball isn't a contact sport
what Steph would have got every night in the 80s, guys get suspended for it now
Posted on 2/27/16 at 2:36 pm to tduecen
There was a play in the Hawks/Warriors game; Curry received the ball about 30 feet from the basket and the Hawks trapped momentarily with Schroder and Horford. Curry faked a pass to get Schroder out of position and drove and made a layup over a defender who rotated and contested perfectly. Even if you force him out of his comfort zone his game is so multi-faceted that he'll still find a way to exploit the defense.
It's not a matter of playing more physically. There's literally nothing you can do schematically to stop the guy.
As for the team as a whole we'd talk about Draymond and Bogut as two of the biggest goons in NBA history if they played back then. They'll give back whatever anyone tries to dish out in that regard.
It's not a matter of playing more physically. There's literally nothing you can do schematically to stop the guy.
As for the team as a whole we'd talk about Draymond and Bogut as two of the biggest goons in NBA history if they played back then. They'll give back whatever anyone tries to dish out in that regard.
Posted on 2/27/16 at 2:45 pm to tduecen
The NBA product 10 years ago was shite. Realize that that means we're talking about 2006, not 1996.
Posted on 2/27/16 at 3:16 pm to tduecen
These former players and their claims are quite comical.
Oh you would stop curry by playing tight defense and pressuring him? What a revilutionary concept that no one has thought of? Be more physical with him? Yeah send a 90+ FT shooter to the line all game, that should work.
The game has simply evolved and I think former players can't understand it, honestly because many probably couldn't fit in. Sure, the best players would do well in any era, but players like Laimbeer and others wouldn't make it today. Players are overall more skilled, better shooters which also leads to better spacing and team offense.
You could say the same going backwards, that players would need to adjust for the physicality, but that's an easier adjustment to make for these athletes who are bigger, stronger, and faster than the players who preceded them. Just because players have adapted to the rules of today to get the best results, and aren't out there clothes lining each other, doesn't mean they're "soft" guys who would be incapable of figuring out how to play when whistles are swallowed and touch fouls aren't called
Oh you would stop curry by playing tight defense and pressuring him? What a revilutionary concept that no one has thought of? Be more physical with him? Yeah send a 90+ FT shooter to the line all game, that should work.
The game has simply evolved and I think former players can't understand it, honestly because many probably couldn't fit in. Sure, the best players would do well in any era, but players like Laimbeer and others wouldn't make it today. Players are overall more skilled, better shooters which also leads to better spacing and team offense.
You could say the same going backwards, that players would need to adjust for the physicality, but that's an easier adjustment to make for these athletes who are bigger, stronger, and faster than the players who preceded them. Just because players have adapted to the rules of today to get the best results, and aren't out there clothes lining each other, doesn't mean they're "soft" guys who would be incapable of figuring out how to play when whistles are swallowed and touch fouls aren't called
Posted on 2/27/16 at 3:28 pm to Fearthehat0307
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Didn't read but Jordan >>>>>>>> lebron. /thread
You must be behind. The new argument is
Curry>>>>>>>>Jordan>>>>>>>>Lebron
Posted on 2/27/16 at 3:35 pm to Fearthehat0307
Its boring damn near every team seems to have the same exact offense. Spread pick and roll no diversity at all. But with no good big men NBA coaches are just playing the hand they were dealt.
The Warriors or even Lebron's Heat would struggle against great teams who dominated down low. Could you imagine these Warriors vs say the 99 Spurs or Kobe and Shaq Lakers? It would be ugly.
The Warriors or even Lebron's Heat would struggle against great teams who dominated down low. Could you imagine these Warriors vs say the 99 Spurs or Kobe and Shaq Lakers? It would be ugly.
This post was edited on 2/27/16 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 2/27/16 at 3:38 pm to tduecen
The Big O is a kook.
Golden State would have crushed every team from back in the day, with their first challenge being the MJ Bulls teams.
Golden State would have crushed every team from back in the day, with their first challenge being the MJ Bulls teams.
Posted on 2/27/16 at 3:43 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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But with no good big men NBA coaches are just playing the hand they were dealt
meh men still got to be big to play... i guess you're thinking the big men have to be like Shaq or Patrick Ewing... but is Dirk not big? Tim Duncan? Anthony Davis? so why are they changing their style of play (and still being effective)? has the NBA changed rules to make them ineffective, or do they simply not exist anymore?
This post was edited on 2/27/16 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 2/27/16 at 3:51 pm to tduecen
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Hall of Famer Oscar Robertson told ESPN's Mike & Mike on Thursday that Curry's success is largely due to today's style of play, which isn't as physical as back in the day.
this is just ridiculous when you consider the era he played in
Posted on 2/27/16 at 3:53 pm to Tigerfan56
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The game has simply evolved and I think former players can't understand it,
the Big O being case in point
he played in an era of almost literally no defense, and he's trying to claim steph curry doesnt' face good defenses?
Posted on 2/27/16 at 3:54 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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But with no good big men NBA coaches are just playing the hand they were dealt
the development of basketball has made the "big man" irrelevant, which is why you don't see many dominant post guys
unless you have prime shaq (and there has only been one of those in NBA history), it's just not efficient
This post was edited on 2/27/16 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 2/27/16 at 3:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:and that's the name of the game. People finally realized it's better to go 10/30 from three point land than going 14/30 from in the post
it's just not efficient
Posted on 2/27/16 at 3:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
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he played in an era of almost literally no defense
What??? You base this on what??? OH that's right You rely on all those ESPN highlights... Jesus you are fricking stupid............ Oh and as far as defense... Bill Russell says howdy DIPSHIT............
Posted on 2/27/16 at 4:00 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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damn near every team seems to have the same exact offense.
You are a stupid person if you think this.
Posted on 2/27/16 at 4:01 pm to WestCoastAg
That 14/30 is more likely to always be there and puts other teams into foul trouble... ever hear the saying that teams "live by the 3, die by the 3?"
Posted on 2/27/16 at 4:01 pm to dukke v
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What??? You base this on what??? OH that's right You rely on all those ESPN highlights... Jesus you are fricking stupid............ Oh and as far as defense... Bill Russell says howdy DIPSHIT............
You are an idiot
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