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re: NBA Fans... Difference between today's game and 10+ years ago
Posted on 2/27/16 at 5:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 2/27/16 at 5:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:That is true but his shots were not pick and pops they were pull ups and turn arounds from isos and post feeds.
he was criticized in his day for shooting. people, esp the NY media when they'd flip out, would criticize him for not posting up
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Posted on 2/27/16 at 5:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:People who say 3s are more valuable lack understanding in basketball. Post scoring gives you a far greater chance for putbacks and shooting fouls. It is also far less streaky.
well that's just math
a 3 is a more valuable shot by a significant margin (50%)
hating teams relying on the 3 pointer is hating people who understand science and statistics
This post was edited on 2/27/16 at 5:52 pm
Posted on 2/27/16 at 5:54 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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People who say 3s are more valuable lack understanding in basketball.
it's a mathematical decision
quote:
Post scoring gives you a far greater chance for putbacks and shooting fouls. It is also far less streaky.
then why are post scorers less efficient?
Posted on 2/27/16 at 5:59 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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People who say 3s are more valuable lack understanding in basketball. Post scoring gives you a far greater chance for putbacks and shooting fouls. It is also far less streaky.
Post play is basketball's rushing game: Repetitive, grinding the defense, imposing your will, etc.
Three pointers are the passing game: Spreading out the defense, and getting yards(points) in chunks.
Posted on 2/27/16 at 6:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:They aren't in the half court
then why are post scorers less efficient?
This post was edited on 2/27/16 at 6:01 pm
Posted on 2/27/16 at 6:07 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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They aren't in the half court
any evidence to support this assertion?
Posted on 2/27/16 at 6:12 pm to VerlanderBEAST
I'm going to market this thread as a cure for insomnia.
Posted on 2/27/16 at 6:13 pm to dukke v
quote:absolutely, and im a huge Detroit homer. He's a better scorer and rim protector. Wallace wouldn't thrive in today's game.
You think Jordan from the Clippers is better than Ben Wallace???
Posted on 2/27/16 at 6:15 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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by the 80s Kareem(along with 99% of the NBA) stopped playing D altogether
When McHale clotheslined Rambis...on his way to an easy layup...This was a mere personal foul in the '80s but surely would've gotten someone tossed in today's NBA. No one was suspended oor fined...and no flagrant...as Tommy Heinsen said on the broadcast, you don't allow layups in this league if you can stop it.
When the Chief sucker punched Lambier - and decked him to the floor while both were going for a rebound...it was whistled a mere personal foul...no tech, no ejection, no fines, play on.
Teams scored a lot but it's hard to defend when your running like LMU ike many teams.
This rewriting history that that era was soft by millennials who only watch YouTube clips is comical.
This post was edited on 2/27/16 at 6:19 pm
Posted on 2/27/16 at 6:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
If you put a more athletic point guard on the second back-to-back Lakers team, do you think they could beat the Warriors in a seven game series?
Posted on 2/27/16 at 6:17 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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He's a better scorer and rim protector. Wallace wouldn't thrive in today's game.
All he seems to do is Dunk... But Wallace was there for ONE THING.. Playing great D and rebound.. Give me 5 guys that did it as well as him.... You think Rodman would NOT thrive in todays game????
Posted on 2/27/16 at 6:18 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:
When McHale clotheslined Rambis...on his way to an easy layup...This was a mere personal foul in the '80s but surely would've gotten someone tossed in today's NBA. No one was suspended or fined...and no flagrant...as Tommy Heinsen said on the broadcast, you don't allow layups in this league if you can stop it.
When the Chief sucker punched Lambier - and decked him to the floor while both were going for a rebound...it was whistled a mere personal foul...no tech, no ejection, no fines, play on.
If the NBA allowed this today, then the "thug league" moniker would return with a vengeance.
Posted on 2/27/16 at 6:23 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:when this happens in the 80s, it's an example of how gritty and tough and awesome the game was. When that happens today, it's an example of how thuggish the league is and how terrible the game is. I love how the narrative changes depending on which era we are talking about
When McHale clotheslined Rambis...on his way to an easy layup...This was a mere personal foul in the '80s but surely would've gotten someone tossed in today's NBA. No one was suspended oor fined...and no flagrant...as Tommy Heinsen said on the broadcast, you don't allow layups in this league if you can stop it.
When the Chief sucker punched Lambier - and decked him to the floor while both were going for a rebound...it was whistled a mere personal foul...no tech, no ejection, no fines, play on.
Posted on 2/27/16 at 6:27 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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This rewriting history that that era was soft by millennials who only watch YouTube clips is comical.
Maybe, but then again the group acting like today's players, who are bigger and stronger than ever before, wouldn't survive in an era with more physical play, is comical too. There literally is no evidence to support that claim
They're two extremes, but only one mindset draws the ire of crotchety old men
This post was edited on 2/27/16 at 6:30 pm
Posted on 2/27/16 at 6:32 pm to dukke v
quote:Jordan rebounds and defends just as well in addition to scoring more.
All he seems to do is Dunk... But Wallace was there for ONE THING.. Playing great D and rebound
quote:pretty much every all-time great PF or C.
.. Give me 5 guys that did it as well as him
I think Detroit fans greatly overrate Ben's impact in the finals. Shaq still did well. It was Prince and Billups who really carried the team. Also, Rasheed was what finally got them out of the east.
Posted on 2/27/16 at 6:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
any evidence to support this assertion?
LINK
So teams make a lower % in the half court. Do I really need a link to tell you shots in the post have a higher chance for shooting fouls and putbacks? It is common sense.
This post was edited on 2/27/16 at 6:45 pm
Posted on 2/27/16 at 6:44 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
quote:Oh god
absolutely, and im a huge Detroit homer. He's a better scorer and rim protector. Wallace wouldn't thrive in today's game.
Posted on 2/27/16 at 10:31 pm to tduecen
Bump for Oscar
Posted on 2/27/16 at 10:47 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 5/25/16 at 2:01 pm to tduecen
quote:
Granted rules have changed to allow more ball movement and less physical play, but players are more skilled/athletic than befor
I m here to accept apologies on Big O & Kareem's behalf.
If Curry is getting frustrated & ineffective with the 'wittle' contact allowed against him coming off those screens I can only imagine ...........
Goes to show what some contact & length in your grill can do to a jump shooter.
Not much serious contact ,but I'm tired of NBA players today lollygagging around the court untouched.
He better hop they start calling those touch fouls again if the Warriors hope to pull this off.
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