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re: More impressive Goatbrook stat: 21 triple-doubles or 3 quadruple-doubles?
Posted on 1/19/17 at 3:35 pm to AU_251
Posted on 1/19/17 at 3:35 pm to AU_251
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we didn't learn anything new
bullshite
read the first couple pages before I started posting links..and then after I posted links. People thought it was just RIDICULOUS that someone would point out westbrooks uncontested rebounds, til we posted a link that said they are half as valuable as the contested variety. quote:What I'm doing is shedding light on why that extra .6 rebounds that give Westbrook a triple double for the season pale in comparison to what Harden gives his team that Westbrook does not. And even though Westbrook has the first triple double average in however many years he clearly isn't more valuable than Harden. The rebounds is just a part of the argument, hell if you can't tell who is more deserving when seeing that the MOV beween HOU and OKC is the same as OKC and PHI then you will probably fit in really well here tbh with the sharp hoops minds we have posting.
. Literally NOBODY outside of you care about an "uncontested rebound stat". Or that "all TO's aren't created equal"
This post was edited on 1/19/17 at 3:38 pm
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Posted on 1/19/17 at 3:40 pm to Boomshockalocka
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til we posted a link
Who's we? You got a turd in your pocket?
Posted on 1/19/17 at 3:48 pm to Boomshockalocka
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westbrooks uncontested rebounds
So do uncontested shots count differently than contested shots?
not being sarcastic.
This post was edited on 1/19/17 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 1/19/17 at 3:52 pm to Split2874
This thread is what happens when you engage in the troll. And I've been guilty before. Don't engage him...problem solved. 
Posted on 1/19/17 at 3:54 pm to Split2874
Uncontested or contested shots are worth 2 points. You win games by scoring points. So a two point shot is assigned a value of 2.
Otoh rebounds don't determine who wins the game points do. Based on the points saved or created by an uncontested rebound, it is worth half as many points as a contested rebound. Rebounds only matter in how they affect points scored or allowed.
Otoh rebounds don't determine who wins the game points do. Based on the points saved or created by an uncontested rebound, it is worth half as many points as a contested rebound. Rebounds only matter in how they affect points scored or allowed.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 3:56 pm to Aggie Fishfinder
Dude you are the dumbest NBA poster here who posts with any frequency. You don't belong in any even halfway serious basketball discussion. You thinking I'm trolling when I'm making good points proves my point. Gtfo.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 4:02 pm to Boomshockalocka
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uncontested or contested shots are worth 2 points. You win games by scoring points. So a two point shot is assigned a value of 2.
Otoh rebounds don't determine who wins the game points do. Based on the points saved or created by an uncontested rebound, it is worth half as many points as a contested rebound. Rebounds only matter in how they affect points scored or allowed.
what does "Otoh" stand for?
nice explanation
This post was edited on 1/19/17 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 1/19/17 at 4:05 pm to Split2874
"On the other hand"
a 538 article estimated the value of one rebound at 1.7 pts.
Nylon calculus has an article that an uncontested rebound is worth half as much as a contested rebound.
So if you are looking at the value provided by rebounds, it's clear that all rebounds aren't created equally.
From this we can kinda see the true value of a Westbrooks triple double via rebounds because even thought he gets 10 a game, the value isn't there bc so many are uncontested and it doesn't make up for what Harden gives his team.
The idea is to show that even though Westbook averages a triple double, it really isn't MVP worthy in and of itself.
a 538 article estimated the value of one rebound at 1.7 pts.
Nylon calculus has an article that an uncontested rebound is worth half as much as a contested rebound.
So if you are looking at the value provided by rebounds, it's clear that all rebounds aren't created equally.
From this we can kinda see the true value of a Westbrooks triple double via rebounds because even thought he gets 10 a game, the value isn't there bc so many are uncontested and it doesn't make up for what Harden gives his team.
The idea is to show that even though Westbook averages a triple double, it really isn't MVP worthy in and of itself.
This post was edited on 1/19/17 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 1/19/17 at 4:05 pm to Split2874
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what does "Otoh" stand for?
On the other hand I believe, but who da hell knows when Boom gets rolling
Posted on 2/11/17 at 10:38 pm to SPEEDY
Posted on 2/12/17 at 3:03 am to SPEEDY
He has the record for most 10+ turnover games since turnovers became a stat. Something else to be proud of.
Posted on 2/12/17 at 3:02 pm to Boomshockalocka
Sooner or later you'll figure out no one gives a frick what your troll arse thinks.
You know shite and it's pretty obvious.
You know shite and it's pretty obvious.
Posted on 2/12/17 at 3:39 pm to therick711
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As I said earlier James started to do that when the media ran with the triple double narrative.
quote:
His uncontested rebounding rate is pretty consistent over his career for this to "all of a sudden" be a new thing that he started chasing. Nice narrative. That's all it is, though.
Posted on 2/12/17 at 4:15 pm to Boomshockalocka
Nah.
Turnovers are not a "product" of the players' value to team.
Reflection of time of pounding.
Bad passes.
Dribble into trouble.
And defenders collapsing onto ball hog.
Some of that.
Turnovers are not a "product" of the players' value to team.
Reflection of time of pounding.
Bad passes.
Dribble into trouble.
And defenders collapsing onto ball hog.
Some of that.
This post was edited on 2/12/17 at 6:38 pm
Posted on 2/12/17 at 10:06 pm to VermilionTiger
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Rebounds are the most overrated stat in basketba
Offensive rebounds are not overrated.
Posted on 2/12/17 at 10:13 pm to CelticDog
Of course he's going to have a lot of turnovers when he literally has to create offense out of thin air with a bunch of shitty teammates. Would it be better if he averaged 20 5 and 5 with no turnovers? A turnover isn't much worse than a missed shot, it's not like throwing an interception in football. Issue is overblown imo
Not a direct response to the post I replied to, more of an addition to that
Not a direct response to the post I replied to, more of an addition to that
This post was edited on 2/12/17 at 10:17 pm
Posted on 2/13/17 at 7:12 am to DannyB
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He has the record for most 10+ turnover games since turnovers became a stat. Something else to be proud of.
He's actually tied with Harden @ 7 each for their careers. 5 of Westbrook's games have come this year though.
FWIW, Harden is currently 40 TOs shy of his own NBA record of 374 in a season. At his current pace, he'll obliterate his record and the ABA/NBA record of 422 TOs - if he plays 80 games he'll finish with ~473 TOs.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 9:17 am to Boomshockalocka
quote:
Boomshockalocka
quote:
Dude you are the dumbest NBA poster here who posts with any frequency. You don't belong in any even halfway serious basketball discussion. You thinking I'm trolling when I'm making good points proves my point. Gtfo.
You're in every basketball/NBA thread spewing the same shite, contradicting yourself, and making terrible points. Everyone constantly points this out to you, and you end up telling the poster they know nothing about basketball. The circle of life of MSB NBA threads, as predictable as the sun rising and setting.
That leaves either two outcomes-
1) You're a brilliant and revolutionary basketball mind that us simpleton peons of the MSB cannot understand.
or
2) You are too retarded to even realize you're retarded.
We all know which one you think it is, and which one it really is.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 11:10 am to slackster
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He's actually tied with Harden @ 7 each for their careers. 5 of Westbrook's games have come this year though.
FWIW, Harden is currently 40 TOs shy of his own NBA record of 374 in a season. At his current pace, he'll obliterate his record and the ABA/NBA record of 422 TOs - if he plays 80 games he'll finish with ~473 TOs.
Those are contested turnovers so they are not as bad. #boomlogic
Posted on 2/13/17 at 11:44 am to suavecito80
Harden is clear MVP and CC offense is a top 15 in league history.
Okc isn't even top 20 this season.
I don't have a real problem with either guys turnovers they are a product of what each guy brings to their team but if you just gotta compare them it's clear that hardens are more excusable bc his teams offense is on another planet from OKCs.
Okc isn't even top 20 this season.
I don't have a real problem with either guys turnovers they are a product of what each guy brings to their team but if you just gotta compare them it's clear that hardens are more excusable bc his teams offense is on another planet from OKCs.
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