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Let's talk about reviewing sliding plays into bases in MLB
Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:05 am
Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:05 am
First off Cubs fans, call down, the rule is the rule now so I'm not trying to taint your victory. Lobaton never should have been that far off first anyway.
So I agree that with instant replay in HD that the spirit of the rule is now violated by seeing of the guys body ever lost contact with the base after touching the base, even for a split second.
Fangraph's Dave Cameron has proposed this sort of vertical space above the base being safe if you've already touched the base and maintain part of your body over the base. Over-slides would obviously still be an our.
Thoughts?
So I agree that with instant replay in HD that the spirit of the rule is now violated by seeing of the guys body ever lost contact with the base after touching the base, even for a split second.
Fangraph's Dave Cameron has proposed this sort of vertical space above the base being safe if you've already touched the base and maintain part of your body over the base. Over-slides would obviously still be an our.
Thoughts?
This post was edited on 10/13/17 at 9:06 am
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Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:06 am to barry
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Fangraph's Dave Cameron has proposed this sort of vertical space above the base being safe if you've already touched the base and maintain part of your body over the base. Over-slides would obviously still be an our.
Thoughts?
Makes good sense to me.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:07 am to barry
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Thoughts?
If you're off the base, you can be tagged out. Nothing wrong with the call.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:10 am to barry
Yeah I'm a Cubs fan, but I have no problem with how it's done. Never had a problem with it even before. If you're off, you're off.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:11 am to LNCHBOX
You realize its almost impossible to keep foot on bag without it coming up when coming in with that much force?
Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:12 am to CypressTrout10
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You realize its almost impossible to keep foot on bag without it coming up when coming in with that much force?
Tough shite. Stay on the base, or possibly get tagged out.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:12 am to CypressTrout10
quote:if so, then slide differently... it's not that hard
You realize its almost impossible to keep foot on bag without it coming up when coming in with that much force?
This post was edited on 10/13/17 at 9:13 am
Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:12 am to barry
This is like when Tom Glavine ( LINK) was pissed that MLB used questec to evaluate umpires because he no longer got a ball that was, by definition, a ball called a strike any more.
Just because people used to be safe and the call used to be wrong, doesn't mean they shouldn't be called out. The same play happened to Baez in the playoffs last year. He came off second and was tagged out. If you don't maintain contact with the base, you are out just as it has always been. Now, it is just easier to get it right.
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I've been consistent. When the above happened, I didn't complain. He was out.
Just because people used to be safe and the call used to be wrong, doesn't mean they shouldn't be called out. The same play happened to Baez in the playoffs last year. He came off second and was tagged out. If you don't maintain contact with the base, you are out just as it has always been. Now, it is just easier to get it right.
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I've been consistent. When the above happened, I didn't complain. He was out.
This post was edited on 10/13/17 at 9:24 am
Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:13 am to barry
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Fangraph's Dave Cameron has proposed this sort of vertical space above the base being safe if you've already touched the base and maintain part of your body over the base
I can agree with this. Like the infinite plane for the end zone in football
Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:13 am to CypressTrout10
quote:That's why you never slide back into the bag feet first
You realize its almost impossible to keep foot on bag without it coming up when coming in with that much force?
Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:14 am to CypressTrout10
quote:
You realize its almost impossible to keep foot on bag without it coming up when coming in with that much force?
That's just not true...plus he should have slid back head first.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:14 am to colorchangintiger
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I can agree with this. Like the infinite plane for the end zone in football
Why? What's so hard about maintaining contact with the base? What sense does it makes to be "safe" while not touching the base?
Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:14 am to barry
You are either on the base or off, there's no freaking hovering. Your foot is on the base or you call timeout to move, the idea that anyone thinks you can hover is ridiculous, it sets up so many potential issues. It's very cut and dry, you are touching or not.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:15 am to barry
quote:I think it's dumb and you're going to add arbitrary and opinion plays into the game.
Fangraph's Dave Cameron has proposed this sort of vertical space above the base being safe if you've already touched the base and maintain part of your body over the base. Over-slides would obviously still be an our.
So new you can straddle the bag and not stand on it? Wildly slide over it as long as you can reach the air above the bag? Hell, why slide. Run right through it and then slide to stop.
This post was edited on 10/13/17 at 9:18 am
Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:17 am to barry
I have been bitching about this for a long time. I really hate how often runners are called out after review shows them coming off the bag by a centimeter for 0.001seconds. I get it...you come off the bag...you’re out but when it takes super HD zoomed in slow motion review to even see that, I just don’t like it.
ETA: I also don’t like that Dave Cameron suggestion either.
ETA: I also don’t like that Dave Cameron suggestion either.
This post was edited on 10/13/17 at 9:18 am
Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:17 am to mylsuhat
For years we heard "why can't baseball adopt replay?" Don't they want to get it right? Now we have folks that think the game is being officiated too correctly. 
No judgment calls. You are either on the base or not. Let replay sort it out on the marginal cases.
No judgment calls. You are either on the base or not. Let replay sort it out on the marginal cases.This post was edited on 10/13/17 at 9:19 am
Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:17 am to barry
If he would have slid back to first correctly, this wouldn't be an issue.
He was out, just like every other person who has been called out for the same play. It happens a few times during the season.
He was out, just like every other person who has been called out for the same play. It happens a few times during the season.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:18 am to rlebl39
quote:So you want replay, just not GOOD replay?
I have been bitching about this for a long time. I really hate how often runners are called out after review shows them coming off the bag by a centimeter for 0.001seconds. I get it...you come off the bag...you’re out but when it takes super HD zoomed in slow motion review to even see that, I just don’t like it.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:19 am to LNCHBOX
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What sense does it makes to be "safe" while not touching the base?
What sense does a TD make while not touching the end zone?
Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:20 am to Yak
Super slow-mo to show that Jon F'n Lester picked off Zimmerman at 1st? Good
Super slow-mo to show that Wilson Concannon picked off Lobaton at 1st? Bad
Super slow-mo to show that Wilson Concannon picked off Lobaton at 1st? Bad
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