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re: Let's talk about reviewing sliding plays into bases in MLB
Posted on 10/13/17 at 11:30 am to Boudreaux35
Posted on 10/13/17 at 11:30 am to Boudreaux35
The 'neighborhood play' was eliminated when they changed the sliding into second rule. They didn't used to review it, b/c the rules allowed the 2B/SS to be off the bag and still get the out.
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Posted on 10/13/17 at 11:30 am to barry
quote:This is exactly how I view it.
Fangraph's Dave Cameron has proposed this sort of vertical space above the base being safe if you've already touched the base and maintain part of your body over the base. Over-slides would obviously still be an our.
The way I see it, Lobo beat the throw and kept the bag.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 11:36 am to mylsuhat
quote:What?
why slide. Run right through it and then slide to stop.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 11:38 am to ReauxlTide222
Guys should be called out for sliding past a bag, or even an obvious pop up. Last night is not eh replay was instituted, and it disrupted the rhythm of the game.
Now you are going to have players screw up ankles trying to stick to a base.
This is as dumb as getting a speeding ticket for going 47 in a 45.
Now you are going to have players screw up ankles trying to stick to a base.
This is as dumb as getting a speeding ticket for going 47 in a 45.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 11:51 am to TexasTiger08
How many reviews do teams get? That's probably the only thing keeping this slide rule from 100% ruining the game. I can't even imagine how many times I player comes off the bag for a split second while being tagged.
It's so often that you'd review every goddamn slide if you had the option.
I'm for automated balls and strikes, if anyone is wondering.
It's so often that you'd review every goddamn slide if you had the option.
I'm for automated balls and strikes, if anyone is wondering.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 11:54 am to barry
I think the rule as-is is just fine. There's a reason players from the time they are old enough to take leads are taught to go back into first base head first.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 11:55 am to ReauxlTide222
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It's so often that you'd review every goddamn slide if you had the option.
LOL, what? How many slides are there that are even close a game? 3? On average under 5 certainly.
You are safe touching the bag, out not touching it. Its literally that simple and can't get more simple.
There will be all kinds of issues if "hovering" is safe. Its black and white, not gray.
ETA: Furthermore, with it being very black and white you alter your play and your sliding to ensure you stay on the bag. Its really not difficult. Guys may have to slide in sooner and softer then they would if hovering was safe, but it doesn't change the game.
This post was edited on 10/13/17 at 11:57 am
Posted on 10/13/17 at 11:57 am to baldona
quote:Like what?
There will be all kinds of issues if "hovering" is safe. Its black and white, not gray.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 12:00 pm to WestCoastAg
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i think its ridiculous that we can penalize a player for being off the bag for less than half a second all because we now have these super slow mo hi def cameras that we have never had until the last 5 years. its taking a rule by the absolute book and it doesnt allow for context. lobaton is safe if this happens in any other time of the 120+ years of baseball history prior to 2010.
its very much like challenging a catch or a fumble in football. when we can slow the game down as much as we can, and add in the hi def cameras, you are always going to see a little wabble of the ball
So basically you're arguing that they shouldn't worry about getting the calls correct. I don't understand that. To me the fact that we have technology to determine the correct call is a positive, not a negative. No player is being "penalized." The guy was out, and he was called out.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 12:21 pm to Bham Bammer
Would you like every single play to be reviewed then? Every slide with a tag applied reviewed?
Posted on 10/13/17 at 12:25 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:Managers have one challenge in the regular season, two in the post season...so, no.
Would you like every single play to be reviewed then? Every slide with a tag applied reviewed?
Posted on 10/13/17 at 12:36 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:
Would you like every single play to be reviewed then? Every slide with a tag applied reviewed?
No, just until challenges are up. Not that hard.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 12:39 pm to Yak
I understand that.
Y'all can't really claim to want plays called correctly if there's THAT strict a limit on replays.
Y'all can't really claim to want plays called correctly if there's THAT strict a limit on replays.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 12:40 pm to ReauxlTide222
Some plays during the course of a game are more important than others. Thus, getting them correct is more important.
This post was edited on 10/13/17 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 10/13/17 at 12:42 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:
There will be all kinds of issues if "hovering" is safe. Its black and white, not gray.
Like what?
How often are catches reviewed in college and the nfl? Same dang thing. Or what about goal line plays? Very similar.
Being safe is a very black and white thing, is the runners leg on the bag before the tag.
Furthermore, who didn't do this in little league on up? Waiting for the runner to take their leg off the bag? Coaches teach that all the time, keep the tag on the runner. For this exact reason. Its absolutely no different than a runner's momentum taking them past the bag, if you slide too hard so as to lose contact with the bag that's the runners fault. Slide earlier and slide softer.
The play at first is incredibly easy to slide into for a runner, slide in head first and keep your hand on the bag until you call timeout. Really can't get any simpler, runners screw that up and they should be called out for being a dumbass. Who slides back into first feet first anyway?
This post was edited on 10/13/17 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 10/13/17 at 12:44 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:I want the plays being reviewed with cameras to be called correctly. In this case, it was.
Y'all can't really claim to want plays called correctly if there's THAT strict a limit on replays.
What exactly is your point?
Posted on 10/13/17 at 12:47 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:
Fangraph's Dave Cameron has proposed this sort of vertical space above the base being safe if you've already touched the base and maintain part of your body over the base. Over-slides would obviously still be an our.
This is exactly how I view it.
So let's say runner on second or third over slide the bag so as their body is past the bag, but their hand stays "over" the bag to where it is "hovering". Safe or out?
This is what I'm saying, he's out. Hand on bag, safe. No body part on bag, out.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 1:03 pm to baldona
If they beat the throw I'd like for it to be SO obvious that the hand came off that the umpire could see it and call it.
And forget the hover thing.
Maybe review should only be used for fair/foul calls, HRs, scoring plays, and catches.
And maybe that isn't even correct. That play last night just felt so wrong to me. Just didn't feel like that's how things should be.
And forget the hover thing.
Maybe review should only be used for fair/foul calls, HRs, scoring plays, and catches.
And maybe that isn't even correct. That play last night just felt so wrong to me. Just didn't feel like that's how things should be.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 1:07 pm to Speedy G
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b/c the rules allowed the 2B/SS to be off the bag and still get the out.
The rules allowed this? Can you please tell me the approximate year the rule that allowed it was changed/eliminated?
Posted on 10/13/17 at 1:11 pm to Chicken
If it takes almost 5 minutes to make a call, then let it stand as it was called in the first place. I think replay should be used to correct egregious errors by the ump....and this obviously wasn't one. If you can't find proof within 30 seconds, then play stands as called.
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