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re: Just Watched "Happy Valley" on Netflix
Posted on 7/12/15 at 11:50 pm to sms151t
Posted on 7/12/15 at 11:50 pm to sms151t
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You can hate Penn State but Paterno did what he was legally required.
frick that. As was indicated in the documentary, there is a distinction between morality and legality. You're a jackass for pretending that BilJ's comment is in regard to Paterno's legal onus. The point of emphasis is his ethical obligation as the de facto leader of the State College community with a direct subordinate committing one of the most heinous crimes possible.
Joe Pa had a moral obligation to go to the real authorities, not some mid-tier admin pricks working for Penn State, and his godlike stature (of which he was certainly aware), arguably places additional responsibility upon him.
I just watched the documentary because of this thread resurfacing, and it essentially confirmed everything I thought previously. If there was ever a time to hand a program a death penalty, this was the time. It's sad that programs like SMU will get the death penalty because a couple players get paid, when something like this happens and a program has minor post-season sanctions for the most egregious known crime committed in NCAA history.
This post was edited on 7/12/15 at 11:56 pm
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Posted on 7/12/15 at 11:51 pm to goldenbadger08
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Your witch hunt mentality is what's chickenshit.
See this quote,
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"This is how we deal with things in America, we find the very sensational story and then we try and create a shaming spectacle to allow culture to move on. Its a way to avoid doing something about it."
So you are trying to argue that by severely punishing a program and nearly crippling it for failing to report known evidence of the rape of children is avoiding a problem?
I think that it pretty clearly puts other schools on notice that if they think their football program and it's members are more important than exposing those who harm children they will face serious trouble.
Posted on 7/13/15 at 7:09 am to sms151t
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You can hate Penn State but Paterno did what he was legally required.
This is also known as the bare minimum. We expect mature, responsible adults to do more than the bare minimum required by law. Some of us value moral excellence over legal obligation and expect the same from others. It's really not a high standard to attain.
Posted on 7/13/15 at 7:32 am to kilo
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I just dont think you are very bright,
This deserves the most upvotes in this thread IMO.
Posted on 7/13/15 at 8:12 am to goldenbadger08
I didn't see the point in punishing Penn State's football program. Vacate Joe Pa's wins from that time and take them away from the school, but almost decimating the program like that was bullshite.
Joe Pa and Sandusky got everything they deserved, and probably deserved more. Hell, you could have banned all those involved in the cover-up from football for life and then serve jail time. Those men were evil to the highest degree.
But there was no need in punishing the players and future players there. They weren't the ones that fricked kids in the shower.
Joe Pa and Sandusky got everything they deserved, and probably deserved more. Hell, you could have banned all those involved in the cover-up from football for life and then serve jail time. Those men were evil to the highest degree.
But there was no need in punishing the players and future players there. They weren't the ones that fricked kids in the shower.
This post was edited on 7/13/15 at 8:17 am
Posted on 7/13/15 at 8:37 am to goldenbadger08
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"Society likes to destroy what they think is better than they are." - Mrs. Paterno
Well this is true without a doubt.
We like to build our heroes up only to tear them down.
Posted on 7/13/15 at 8:51 am to Lou Pai
Pretty much. We're talking about a guy so powerful within the university that he threw his "superiors" out of his home for trying to remove him. Yet on this, he just deferred to them without input? If you don't think Paterno had a hand in the cover up then I can't help you.
Posted on 7/13/15 at 8:56 am to WicKed WayZ
It's pretty common for players and coaches uninvolved with NCAA offenses to suffer from sanctions. The NCAA rightly enacted a special provision allowing the players to transfer if they so desired, with no delay.
The program should have gotten the death penalty. The Penn State community showed an unacceptable lack of perspective. Their fanaticism immediately fostered a victim mentality overriding any rational consideration of the crimes that took place.
The program should have gotten the death penalty. The Penn State community showed an unacceptable lack of perspective. Their fanaticism immediately fostered a victim mentality overriding any rational consideration of the crimes that took place.
This post was edited on 7/13/15 at 8:59 am
Posted on 7/13/15 at 9:09 am to Lou Pai
bottom line is the ncaa knew they screwed up. They overstepped their boundaries. The players had nothing to do with it, the fans had nothing to do with it, and it had nothing to do with on the field performance. That is why they gave the wins back and removed post season bans. Joe did everything he was legally required to do. This was one mans work, one mans sick problem. Not a whole team or school. The media blew this to where it was like the whole town knew about it and did nothing, and the ncaa overstepped their boundaries. Im glad they decided to correct it with the schoool and football program. Its time to get joe pa's statue back up. He did alot for that school and community. The man who is responsible is prison, and its time to move on.
Posted on 7/13/15 at 9:13 am to oleyeller
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the fans had nothing to do with it
I disagree to some extent. They played a role in the creating the culture around the program that allowed something like this to happen IMO. I think they needed to hit the reset button on the program to bring everyone, including the fans, back to earth.
The only people involved with that program I felt bad for were the players but they were allowed to openly transfer
Posted on 7/13/15 at 9:19 am to oleyeller
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That is why they gave the wins back and removed post season bans. Joe did everything he was legally required to do. This was one mans work, one mans sick problem. Not a whole team or school.
the coach and school officials swept it under the rug to protect the program's reputation. They got slammed for having completely out of whack priorities, football came before putting Sandusky away and keeping him from harming even more children.
Posted on 7/13/15 at 9:22 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
And I actually disagreed with vacating the wins just because what happened had no direct impact on the outcome of games like paying a recruit to play for you would, but i also think vacating wins in general is a dumb practice. Overall though I think PSU got off pretty light
Posted on 7/13/15 at 9:23 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
I think vacating the wins was more of a way to actually punish Joe, but yeah an overall dumb practice.
Posted on 7/13/15 at 9:24 am to BilJ
Probably true, I mean I certainly don't feel bad that it happened 
Posted on 7/13/15 at 9:32 am to WicKed WayZ
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but there was no need in punishing the players and future players there.
can't the same be said pretty much any time the NCAA comes down on a program?
I think this was a much bigger example of a program flying off the tracks then the shite the NCAA nailed USC to the wall for over the Reggie Bush crap.
Posted on 7/13/15 at 9:56 am to BilJ
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I think this was a much bigger example of a program flying off the tracks then the shite the NCAA nailed USC to the wall for over the Reggie Bush crap.
I wonder if USC and to a lesser extent OSU would have gotten way less punishment if PSU was found out first (the incidents in question happened first at PSU)
Posted on 7/13/15 at 11:19 am to oleyeller
Reasonable people can disagree about a variety of issues, but anyone who isn't filled with rage that Joe Paterno didn't do everything he could to stop the rape of children is a puzzle I don't want to solve.
The JoePa apologists are sociopaths. If I ran TD, I'd block them from ever posting here again.
The JoePa apologists are sociopaths. If I ran TD, I'd block them from ever posting here again.
Posted on 7/13/15 at 11:34 am to BilJ
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think this was a much bigger example of a program flying off the tracks then the shite the NCAA nailed USC to the wall for over
I agree 100%. The NCAA needs to re evaluate how they handle these things. Bush violated regulations and rules, not USC.
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