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re: Is Yadier Molina a HOF Catcher?
Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:12 am to Tigerbait337
Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:12 am to Tigerbait337
He's the best catcher of his generation, which is evident by the "He's a HOF lock" comments in this thread, but relative to HOF catchers he's subpar.
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Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:15 am to barry
Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:32 am to Tigerbait337
frick Yadier Molina.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:40 am to slackster
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He's the best catcher of his generation
Joe Mauer and Buster Posey disagree.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:44 am to barry
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Joe Maue
LOLOLOLOLOL
Why are Reds fans such tards? Seriously, it's like their thing.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:45 am to slackster
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He's the best catcher of his generation
He's barely the best catcher in his family. Just kidding. He's the finest Molina. Not sure that's HOF-worthy, though.
This post was edited on 9/29/16 at 10:51 am
Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:47 am to slackster
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He's the best catcher of his generation, which is evident by the "He's a HOF lock" comments in this thread, but relative to HOF catchers he's subpar.
Best catcher of his generation?
Yadi Molina is 2 tiers below Buster Posey as a player.
This post was edited on 9/29/16 at 10:49 am
Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:50 am to DallasTiger45
Yadier Molina has had 3 seasons above 4 fWAR and has received MVP votes a grand total of 4 times.
He is not a HOF caliber player.
He is not a HOF caliber player.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:52 am to DallasTiger45
He likes to snap throw down, though, and Tim McCarver likes his leadership.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:53 am to Tigerbait337
No
Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:56 am to stlslick
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LOLOLOLOLOL
Why are Reds fans such tards? Seriously, it's like their thing.
Explain to me how he was better than Joe Mauer as an overall catcher?
This post was edited on 9/29/16 at 10:57 am
Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:57 am to barry
Joe Mauer has a 50 WAR, which is close to HOF average. Not sure I understand that comment either.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:58 am to DallasTiger45
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Yadi Molina is 2 tiers below Buster Posey as a player.
Buster Posey has already played a full season's worth of games at 1B and not even close to the same defensive player at catcher by the metrics. So I'm not sure that's a completely fair comparison.
I'm not sure the significance of this stat, but I found it interesting where Molina ranks compared to other catchers historically.
Total Zone Runs as Catcher
Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:58 am to barry
Recent catchers with more career fWAR than Molina:
Joe Mauer
Jorge Posada
jason Kendall
Russell Martin
Brian McCann
Joe Mauer
Jorge Posada
jason Kendall
Russell Martin
Brian McCann
Posted on 9/29/16 at 11:01 am to JasonMason
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Buster Posey has already played a full season's worth of games at 1B and not even close to the same defensive player at catcher by the metrics. So I'm not sure that's a completely fair comparison.
I'm not sure the significance of this stat, but I found it interesting where Molina ranks compared to other catchers historically.
Total Zone Runs as Catcher
Thats great but regardless of defensive skills, hitting is still and giant portion of a players value and Molina is not even league average for his career.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 11:04 am to JasonMason
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Buster Posey has already played a full season's worth of games at 1B and not even close to the same defensive player at catcher by the metrics. So I'm not sure that's a completely fair comparison.
Plenty of metrics like Posey as a catcher. His pitch framing is excellent, and he's a good defensive catcher. He may not be as good as Yadi but the vast difference in hitting ability easily makes up for the defensive difference and then some.
And the reason Posey plays so much first base is because his bat is actually worth keeping in the lineup when he isn't catching. Yadi is has been a replacement level hitter or worse for all but 3 seasons of his career.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 11:06 am to DallasTiger45
I think Molina's argument is defensively he's one of the best catchers of all time. His offense isn't elite, but it's also above average.
None of these guys are close defensively to Molina. I'm not sure he's first ballot, but I find it hard to believe that one of the best defensive players ever at his position would be left out entirely.
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Joe Mauer
Jorge Posada
jason Kendall
Russell Martin
Brian McCann
None of these guys are close defensively to Molina. I'm not sure he's first ballot, but I find it hard to believe that one of the best defensive players ever at his position would be left out entirely.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 11:07 am to barry
I don't know about Molina in the HoF, but I do believe he may be underrated by WAR. WAR doesn't take into account pitch framing or calling a game/managing a staff. Two things Molina supposedly excels at.
Posey is still the best catcher of this generation.
Posey is still the best catcher of this generation.
This post was edited on 9/29/16 at 11:08 am
Posted on 9/29/16 at 11:07 am to therick711
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Joe Mauer has a 50 WAR, which is close to HOF average. Not sure I understand that comment either.
Joe Mauer started a grand total of 885 games at catcher and hasn't caught a game in over 3 years.
WAR leaves a lot out when measuring a catcher's contribution. Fangraphs ever admits that "catcher WAR is probably the least precise of all of the positions."
Posted on 9/29/16 at 11:07 am to DallasTiger45
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And the reason Posey plays so much first base is because his bat is actually worth keeping in the lineup when he isn't catching.
Bingo.
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