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re: I told you that everybody does it. (DeflateGate)
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:40 am to shel311
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:40 am to shel311
quote:When people are caught cheating in your company, you are held accountable to some extent across the board. That is one of the "negatives" about having a position of power
Brady wasn't implicated in SpyGate, and management/ownership was exonerated in DeflateGate, seems silly to apply the repeat offender when we're being told no one person actually repeated at offending.
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Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:41 am to TigerBait1127
quote:Agreed. But I am surprised at how so many people seem "shocked" at this.
That was the point about the NFL hand selecting what to investigate and "catch" teams doing. They are letting the media control it instead of acting fair
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:42 am to wildtigercat93
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And they held onto that information for an entire season before making it an ordeal.
from page 46 of the Wells report
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During interviews, when asked to explain the source of their concerns about the Patriots game balls, Grigson, Sullivan, and other members of the Colts equipment staff referenced the Colts Week 11 game against the Patriots in Indianapolis. During that game, Colts strong safety Mike Adams intercepted two passes thrown by Tom Brady. On both occasions, Adams handed the footballs to Brian Seabrooks, an Assistant Equipment Manager for the Colts, on the sideline. Sullivan also examined the footballs because, as he described it, he always checks to see how other teams prepare their balls to “make sure no one is doing a better job.” Sullivan and Seabrooks said that the intercepted footballs appeared to be coated in a tacky substance and seemed spongy or soft when squeezed. They explained that even though they did not test the air pressure of the intercepted footballs at the time, based on their years of experience, the softness of the balls raised suspicions. They also cited unspecified chatter throughout the League that the Patriots prefer their footballs softer than other teams and that visiting teams should be on guard when playing at Gillette Stadium. They could not identify a specific source for this information or reference particular conversations.
The Colts held on to it from Week 11 until the night before they played the Patriots again in the AFC Championship game... unless of course they lied to the investigators.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:43 am to lsupride87
LINK
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Referee Walt Anderson didn’t clearly recall which gauge he used to set the pressure in the Patriots balls at 12.5 PSI before the game. Page 52 of the Wells report reveals that it was Anderson’s “best recollection” that he used before the game the gauge with the logo and the longer, crooked needle. In other words, Anderson recalls using the gauge before the game that, based on the halftime measurements, leads to a finding of no tampering.
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So how did Ted Wells get around the “best recollection” of Walt Anderson? Wells persuaded Anderson to admit that it’s “certainly possible” he used the other gauge. And the company hired to provide technical support for the Wells report concluded based on a convoluted explanation appearing at pages 116-17 of the report that it is “more probable than not” that Anderson used the other gauge.
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That’s how investigations that start with a predetermined outcome and work backward unfold. (Holy crap, I think I’m beginning to agree with Don Yee.) And that’s why Wells should have concluded based on the scientific evidence that the question of whether tampering occurred in connection with the AFC title game is inconclusive.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:44 am to lsupride87
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When people are caught cheating in your company, you are held accountable to some extent across the board. That is one of the "negatives" about having a position of power
So then why isn't Bill punished? He's inconsistent
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:46 am to wildtigercat93
That's the biggest reason I was surprised they hit Tom with 4 games and a 1st round pick. Why piss off one of the most powerful team owners in sports who has the juice to get this heard in front of a real judge when your report has glaring issues like that.
This post was edited on 5/12/15 at 9:47 am
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:46 am to TigerBait1127
quote:Because Goodell is inconsistent and doesnt actually care. Yall act like I think postively about Roger.....
So then why isn't Bill punished? He's inconsistent
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:48 am to Badman
quote:well the colts dont
I told you that everybody does it
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:49 am to Jcorye1
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That's the biggest reason I was surprised they hit Tom with 4 games and a 1st round pick. Why piss off one of the most powerful team owners in sports who has the juice to get this heard in front of a real judge when your report has glaring issues like that.
He'd rather be a sheriff than a commissioner
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:52 am to Jcorye1
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That's the biggest reason I was surprised they hit Tom with 4 games and a 1st round pick. Why piss off one of the most powerful team owners in sports who has the juice to get this heard in front of a real judge when your report has glaring issues like that.
Because there are 31 other owners that are likely out for blood.
If Goodell had said no punishment for his bestie's team the backlash would've been far worse than it is today.
This is not going to go before any court. This will be appealed to two games and forgotten about eventually.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:53 am to TigerBait1127
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They are letting the media control it instead of acting fair
DING,DING,DING!!!!!!!!
We have a winner!!!!!!
How far would this have gone if ESPN hadn't harped on it everyday because they have a 24hr news cycle to fill.
This post was edited on 5/12/15 at 9:54 am
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:53 am to lsupride87
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The NFL didnt give a frick.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:53 am to Goldrush25
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This is not going to go before any court. This will be appealed to two games and forgotten about eventually.
I would have agreed with you if Bob Kraft hadn't come out and called the punishments unreasonable, said he's fully supporting Tom Brady, and the fact Tom Brady hasn't even talked to the NFLPA yet.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:54 am to Badman
quote:It wouldnt have gone anywhere. And if it werent for ESPN we would still have guys launching 70 HRs a year. Im still pissed at ESPN for that
How far would this have gone if ESPN hadn't harped on it everyday because they have a 24hr news cycle to fill.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:56 am to Jcorye1
Read something earlier that the NFLPA wants in this because they think Krafts involvement can lead to an independent arbitrator for the punishment system
Brady has told the NFLPA that he doesn't want their help. I'm thinking because they will want a compromise. Brady might not be satisfied with a reduction
Brady has told the NFLPA that he doesn't want their help. I'm thinking because they will want a compromise. Brady might not be satisfied with a reduction
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:58 am to lsupride87
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quote: How far would this have gone if ESPN hadn't harped on it everyday because they have a 24hr news cycle to fill. It wouldnt have gone anywhere. And if it werent for ESPN we would still have guys launching 70 HRs a year. Im still pissed at ESPN for that
ESPNs a logical target but I think an even bigger reason is the entire league office since Tags left
Tags had things like this come up all the time, and he would tell the teams to cut it out or he would bring down the hammer. And that was enough to stop it.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:58 am to wildtigercat93
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Wells persuaded Anderson to admit that it’s “certainly possible” he used the other gauge. And the company hired to provide technical support for the Wells report concluded based on a convoluted explanation appearing at pages 116-17 of the report that it is “more probable than not” that Anderson used the other gauge.
This right here is why La'el Collins was smart to hire a defense attorney prior to speaking with police, whether or not he had any involvement. Investigators will try to get you to say what they want to hear, regardless of the truth.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 10:00 am to sicboy
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I'm laughing because it's all BS, and hopefully Roger will start drowning in it. We lost an entire season because of his misguided power trips, and the guy needs to be shown the door.
This. Roger needs to go. I'm not a Saints or Pats fan (Bears fan) and I think this guy is way overstepping his bounds. This whole thing has been blown out of proporttion.
I am getting less and less inclined to watch the NFL. College football is where it is at. I'll spend my Sundays fishing or raking the yard.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 11:55 am to Badman
If this is such an issue for EVERY team why have the owners not proposed a rule change to lower the minimum air pressure?
Posted on 5/12/15 at 12:10 pm to oleyeller
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thats like saying everybody smokes weed in nfl... who gets caught!
Exactly. It's not like Josh Gordon can use the "everybody does it" excuse when he gets busted for his next eventual failed drug test to avoid suspension.
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