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re: I told you that everybody does it. (DeflateGate)
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:24 am to lsupride87
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:24 am to lsupride87
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would think the same ownership and management being caught in an 8 year period would be considered a repeat offender by most people
That wasn't my question
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Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:25 am to RollTide1987
quote:Look. Until we all say we agree with you yall wont be happy. Just know alot of people disagree with how you feel. If the independent appeals overrides the suspension because it was too harsh based on their findings, then it will all be good
As is the punishment. A $25,000 fine. How is this any different from the Panthers heating balls last year or the Chargers putting stick 'em on their towels back in 2012 so their receivers could better catch balls? In both instances the players involved got a slap on the wrist. And that was with undeniable proof.
Also...the Colts informed the NFL *before* the game that the Patriots were deflating balls. If the NFL was aware of a problem before the game, why didn't they warn the Patriots this was going on? Why did they let them play with tampered balls for an entire half?
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:25 am to lsupride87
quote:'
I understand the point you are trying to make. I disagree with it. Sorry
IMPOSSIBLE
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:25 am to shel311
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If you're talking about not turning over his cell phone, that's not obstructing, nor does any of those other synonyms fitting here.
I am using the wrong term.
Looks like the wording being used is "failure to cooperate with an NFL investigation."
It's in the same spirit as obstruction, in that he's failing to provide evidence that would be helpful in the investigation, with the key difference being that's this is not a legal matter. Of course that is his right, but that doesn't mean the NFL cannot discipline him under the CBA if it's determined that he's been less than candid.
Brady is not going to jail. He's being suspended for 4 games, which will likely be appealed to 2. I think that's a small price to pay for a SB personally. Don't see why Pats fans are up in arms about it so much. They beat the system.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:25 am to wildtigercat93
quote:Lets say same ownership and management. There is your answer
That wasn't my question
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:26 am to TigerBait1127
quote:Apparently disagreeing with you is impossible
IMPOSSIBLE
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:26 am to lsupride87
quote:
Look. Until we all say we agree with you yall wont be happy. Just know alot of people disagree with how you feel. If the independent appeals overrides the suspension because it was too harsh based on their findings, then it will all be good
That isn't how the independent appeal works. It is going to judge whether the CBA actually gives Roger the right when this issue is already addressed in the CBA.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:27 am to Goldrush25
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Don't see why Pats fans are up in arms about it so much. They beat the syste
I'm the only pats fan in this thread and I've been really calm throughout this whole thing, I'm not that serious about it
The only thing I've gotten heated about is the whole "if you don't give us your cell phone, you are guilty and we will come down on you hard" aspect of it. and that's just a deeper believe I have against that attitude.
I also just hate roger goodell
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:28 am to TigerBait1127
quote:So what if the judge straight up agrees with the penalty? If the judge reads it and says it is bullshite on the CBA I will say Goodell once again overstepped. That easy. No need to get emotionally tied
That isn't how the independent appeal works. It is going to judge whether the CBA actually gives Roger the right when this issue is already addressed in the CBA.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:29 am to wildtigercat93
quote:Rolltide wears Patriot tighty whities and has Jets toilet paper dude
I'm the only pats fan in this thread
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:30 am to lsupride87
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So what if the judge straight up agrees with the penalty?
Why would that change my opinions on the penalty? What does that even have to do with comparing the punishment to the crime?
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If the judge reads it and says it is bullshite on the CBA I will say Goodell once again overstepped.
And even if he didn't overstep his authority, the penalty for the "crime" is too harsh.
Answer this: If the NFL thought this was such an important issue and detrimental to the "integrity of the NFL", why didn't they have controls in place to prevent it from happening
This post was edited on 5/12/15 at 9:31 am
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:31 am to TigerBait1127
quote:I thought yalls basis for the argument was he overstepped on the punishment?
Why would that change my opinions on the penalty? What does that even have to do with comparing the punishment to the crime?
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:32 am to lsupride87
quote:Wells report exonerated this ownership and management, fwiw.
I would think the same ownership and management being caught in an 8 year period
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:33 am to TigerBait1127
quote:I already have. The NFL didnt give a frick. But once it went public, then the Patriots denied it, then got caught, their hands were tied. I am not defending the NFL as an honorable organization, far from it. They are merely covering their own arse.
Answer this: If the NFL thought this was such an important issue and detrimental to the "integrity of the NFL", why didn't they have controls in place to prevent it from happening
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:33 am to lsupride87
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I thought yalls basis for the argument was he overstepped on the punishment?
I think he overstepped his authority on the punishment and penalized way too hard.
They aren't competing thoughts
This post was edited on 5/12/15 at 9:34 am
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:33 am to shel311
quote:I know FWIW. However, unfortunately for them, people under them cheated, again
Wells report exonerated this ownership and management, fwiw.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:34 am to Badman
So What! An example needs to be made so no one else ever does it again or even thinks of cheating in the NFL! 
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:35 am to lsupride87
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I already have. The NFL didnt give a frick. But once it went public, then the Patriots denied it, then got caught, their hands were tied. I am not defending the NFL as an honorable organization, far from it. They are merely covering their own arse.
Well we're in agreement here then. That was the point about the NFL hand selecting what to investigate and "catch" teams doing. They are letting the media control it instead of acting fair
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:35 am to wildtigercat93
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Would you turn your cell phone over to your companies head quarters for review?
Would you turn your cell phone over to anyone for review that wasn't a police investigation with a warrant?
Hell no. They would twist his personal phone records any way they could to support the conclusion they started with. Say what you want about Brady's agent, but his statement had a lot of truth in it, especially this...
quote:
This report contains significant and tragic flaws, and it is common knowledge in the legal industry that reports like this generally are written for the benefit of the purchaser."
The NFL didn't hire Ted Wells, to investigate Brady and the deflating balls. The NFL hired Ted Wells to find cause to punish Brady and the Patriots for a chicken shite rule violation. Why else would this information have been leaked so quickly? Why didn't the NFL notify the Patriots that a complaint had been against them?
Chris Mortenson's intially reported that 11 of the 12 balls used by the Patriots were underinflated by two to three pounds each. It turns out the balls weren't anywhere near that bad. Where did Mortenson get that bad information and why did it take almost 2 weeks for another 'leak' to correct him?
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:39 am to lsupride87
quote:I wasn't sure since you specifically said ownership and management got caught, but they actually did not.
I know FWIW
Brady wasn't implicated in SpyGate, and management/ownership was exonerated in DeflateGate, seems silly to apply the repeat offender when we're being told no one person actually repeated at offending.
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