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re: I told you that everybody does it. (DeflateGate)
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:07 am to shel311
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:07 am to shel311
quote:I disagree. Once it went public, and once the Patriots vehemently denied wrongdoing, and then it was shown they actually did cheat, the NFL had to punish them man. I dont think that they are the "biggest cheaters ever!!!!!", but the fact is they were caught and denied it.
logically, that this thing is soooooo overblown.
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Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:07 am to shel311
quote:
What did he do to obstruct? Not sure you got the correct wording there
Obstruct, impede, hamper, delay, they're synonyms.
This post was edited on 5/12/15 at 9:08 am
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:08 am to RollTide1987
There's also a nice tidbit on the fact that the official couldn't remember what gauge he used to measure the air pressure
And then the Wells investigators coaxed the answer they wanted out of him. Even though he said numerous times he didnt remember.
But it's a totally independent investigation...
And then the Wells investigators coaxed the answer they wanted out of him. Even though he said numerous times he didnt remember.
But it's a totally independent investigation...
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:09 am to shel311
quote:Nope. I dont think this is a fair comparison at all. Not even close
If you're admitting it's a petty crime, seems like the logical step would be to admit the punishment is wayyyyyy over reaching to a petty crime.
To make a better comparision like you did, it's like parking illegally in a spot without feeding the meter, lying about it, then getting 3 years in jail for it.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:09 am to lsupride87
quote:
Other people have admitted to Steroids, other people have admitted to drunk driving, etc etc. When you get caught in the act of cheating, then lie about it, you will get punished even if it is a petty crime such as this. It really seems like a simple concept to me that I learned from a young age
Yea, this is a valid comparison to drunk driving
quote:
It really seems like a simple concept to me that I learned from a young age
Fallacies?
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The CBA has a penalty for ball tampering...
This post was edited on 5/12/15 at 9:11 am
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:09 am to Badman
This thread just proves why Pats nation is the worst
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:10 am to wildtigercat93
quote:So once again, you and Rolltide are back on the "I dont even think we did it wagon"
There's also a nice tidbit on the fact that the official couldn't remember what gauge he used to measure the air pressure
And then the Wells investigators coaxed the answer they wanted out of him. Even though he said numerous times he didnt remember.
But it's a totally independent investigation...
Come on man you need to get to the acceptance stage 
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:10 am to Goldrush25
quote:I still don't know what he did, so that's not helpful.
Obstruct, impede, hamper, delay, they're synonyms.
If you're talking about not turning over his cell phone, that's not obstructing, nor does any of those other synonyms fitting here.
There'a huge difference between the 2.
Again, I didn't read the report, so there may be somthing in there that show she did obstruct, hence my question asking about it.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:10 am to lsupride87
quote:
Nope. I dont think this is a fair comparison at all. Not even close
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:10 am to lsupride87
quote:You admitted it's a petty crime, pick any petty real crime you can think of, then make it a 5+ year jail sentence.
Nope. I dont think this is a fair comparison at all. Not even close
That's what we're dealing with here.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:11 am to sicboy
quote:
Haven't followed it super closely, but since those text messages were made public, was that just an attempt to give Brady a chance to tell them what they already knew?
I'm not sure if they asked for Brady's phone before or after they got the other text messages.
But the fact that the texts got released to the public like that is the exact reason I wouldn't turn over my phone. The league office has zero integrity and is full of leaks. You can tell me all day that all you want to look at is stuff that pertains to the investigation but I don't believe it whenever you couldn't keep your own office from leaking out false rumors during the first week of the scandal
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:11 am to TigerBait1127
quote:I could go on tv today and said I have driven drunk. I wont get investigated for it. That was the point. I never compared the crimes. If you cant understand the inference I was making let me know so I do not have to bother reading your post in here
Yea, this is a valid comparison to drunk driving
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:12 am to lsupride87
quote:Wait, you think if what you quoted is true, that doesn't mean anything?
So once again, you and Rolltide are back on the "I dont even think we did it wagon" Come on man you need to get to the acceptance stage
I have no idea if it is, but if you can't acknowledge that, then you're wayyyyy too biased to contribute anything worthy to this discussion.
That would be, or should be a pretty big deal if true. You're saying, "so what if it is true, don't care"
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:12 am to shel311
quote:
then make it a 5+ year jail sentence.
That's what we're dealing with here.
Missing 4 games for getting caught and lying about cheating, is the same as 5 years in jail for illegal parking. I am sorry, I cant make that comparison ETA: Dude shel you my boy, but really?
This post was edited on 5/12/15 at 9:13 am
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:12 am to lsupride87
quote:
So once again, you and Rolltide are back on the "I dont even think we did it wagon" Come on man you need to get to the acceptance stage
Never really said we did or didn't do it. Probably did, it's not a big deal.
Just saying that the investigation was a joke, just like the rest of them have been.
This post was edited on 5/12/15 at 9:13 am
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:13 am to lsupride87
quote:
Once it went public, and once the Patriots vehemently denied wrongdoing, and then it was shown they actually did cheat, the NFL had to punish them man
Why should the punishment exceed what was collectively bargained for?
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:14 am to lsupride87
quote:Yes, in this football world we live in, a quarter of a season and draft picks is a huge, HUGE deal.
Missing 4 games for getting caught and lying about cheating, is the same as 5 years in jail for illegal parking. I am sorry, I cant make that comparison
ETA: Dude shel you my boy, but really?
Like HUGE, not sure why you're discounting that.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:14 am to lsupride87
quote:
So once again, you and Rolltide are back on the "I dont even think we did it wagon" Come on man you need to get to the acceptance stage
No...I'm just pointing out how Brady's suspension rests on evidence that is very flimsy. It's very possible that he did deflate the footballs but the investigation by Wells didn't prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he did. There is way too much grey area to warrant any kind of punishment on Brady, let alone the Patriots organization.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:14 am to brgfather129
quote:Them denying wrongdoing, and possibly being shown to be repeat offenders for the crime maybe. I am sure we will find out
Why should the punishment exceed what was collectively bargained for?
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:15 am to RollTide1987
quote:Well, the agreed upon NFL statute says the burden is "more likely than not", so we are good here
It's very possible that he did deflate the footballs but the investigation by Wells didn't prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he did
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