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re: How many steps does it take to make "the process" complete?

Posted on 1/11/15 at 11:36 pm to
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 1/11/15 at 11:36 pm to
Do we need to post the Lance Moore gif again for you?
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 1/11/15 at 11:37 pm to
Go for it.
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 1/11/15 at 11:37 pm to
If a football move is made the ball and then hit the ground and fly to the moon and it is still a catch. How you don't understand this is mind numbing
Posted by JG77056
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Posted on 1/11/15 at 11:38 pm to
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Have you ever watched an NFL game before?


Lots of them. Even covered them for newspapers.
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 1/11/15 at 11:38 pm to
Posted by genro
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Posted on 1/11/15 at 11:38 pm to
Perhaps extending the football intentionally is a football move and that can be supported by rule and precedent.

What is the definition of a football move? Maybe intent has to be established first, ie a player must intentionally extend the football for it be considered a football move. Because that intent couldn't be established, it can't be considered a football move. They're not making a subjective judgment call, they're saying they couldn't make a subjective judgment call on intent in order to establish it as a football move.

I'm not trolling, just offering a logical out. I don't fricking know. I'd like to see the rule or an explanation as to how i'm wrong.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 1/11/15 at 11:40 pm to
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Show me one play where a receiver doesn't control the ball through the ground that's a catch.




Ball is possessed, a football move is made as the player is going to the ground and then as he rolls on the ground the ball is knocked out by the defender and hits the ground. Ruled a catch specifically due to the football move being made prior to the ball contacting the ground.
Posted by JG77056
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Posted on 1/11/15 at 11:40 pm to
But Dez didn't make a football move. According to the ref. You're saying the refs can't judge what his intent was, but you're actually wanting the ref to judge it and say it's a football move. So you only want the refs using their judgment when it's convenient for you.
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 1/11/15 at 11:40 pm to
Genro you are right. But to overturn the call the ref has to be 100% certain the extension was accidental
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 1/11/15 at 11:41 pm to
That is nothing like this. He clearly has both hands around the ball and breaks the plane with the ball never touching the ground Got anything better?
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 1/11/15 at 11:41 pm to
No, he wants the ref to be 100% certain to overturn.
Posted by genro
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Posted on 1/11/15 at 11:41 pm to
In that gif I can say with certainty that he intented to extend the ball

If you can't say that with certainty, you can't call it a football move. Intent comes first and must be indisputable.

Again just spitballing
This post was edited on 1/11/15 at 11:43 pm
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 1/11/15 at 11:41 pm to
But he drops the ball before completing the catch. According to you incomplete
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 1/11/15 at 11:42 pm to
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What is the definition of a football move? Maybe intent has to be established first, ie a player must intentionally extend the football for it be considered a football move. Because that intent couldn't be established, it can't be considered a football move. They're not making a subjective judgment call, they're saying they couldn't make a subjective judgment call on intent in order to establish it as a football move.


The problem is it was ruled a catch on the field, meaning they would need conclusive evidence that he did not intend to extend the ball. I have no clue how one would do that.
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 1/11/15 at 11:42 pm to
Lnch you are still wrong on the rule. You may get it one day. Even the ref today told you that you are wrong
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 1/11/15 at 11:43 pm to
He scores, the play is dead. Not the case for Dez. He had to do more. Sorry this hurts your brain so much.
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 1/11/15 at 11:44 pm to
Oh so the scoring matters eh? Now explain Calvin Johnson then. It is amazing now you have made two rules up
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 1/11/15 at 11:44 pm to
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But Dez didn't make a football move. According to the ref.


And I'm asking why the ref believed he could judge that.

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You're saying the refs can't judge what his intent was, but you're actually wanting the ref to judge it and say it's a football move. So you only want the refs using their judgment when it's convenient for you.



This would be true IF the call on the field was incomplete. The call was a catch however, meaning that there has to be conclusive evidence that it WASNT a football move.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 1/11/15 at 11:44 pm to
You didn't show me anything that doesn't jive with what I said the rule is. Sorry.
Posted by JG77056
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Posted on 1/11/15 at 11:44 pm to
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No, he wants the ref to be 100% certain to overturn.


That changes week to week with Cowboy fans doesn't it?
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