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re: hardest pitch to hit
Posted on 8/25/13 at 2:34 pm to LaBornNRaised
Posted on 8/25/13 at 2:34 pm to LaBornNRaised
quote:
Will always be The Changeup.
When setup and thrown properly it is by far the hardest pitch to hit at any level.
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Posted on 8/25/13 at 2:56 pm to LfcSU3520
quote:
And no, a well thrown split, is even better. Same thing as a change up but with more movement which increases the difficulty.
I agree that it is a good pitch, but a split has different spin and allows the hitter to read it earlier than a good change up.
Posted on 8/25/13 at 9:22 pm to PrimeTime Money
quote:
Change-ups are the best off-speed pitch if the pitcher has a nasty one.
It's certainly not 3rd fiddle.
Okay select 1 of 2 choices
A. Great Fastball, Great Slider, Average Change-Up
B. Great Fastball, Average Slider, Great Change-Up
ETA: I'm going A
This post was edited on 8/25/13 at 9:23 pm
Posted on 8/25/13 at 9:27 pm to CyrustheVirus
quote:
CyrustheVirus
please carry on.
*Edited for more fun
This post was edited on 8/25/13 at 9:35 pm
Posted on 8/25/13 at 9:38 pm to LaBornNRaised
quote:
Will always be The Changeup.
When setup and thrown properly it is by far the hardest pitch to hit at any level.
Posted on 8/25/13 at 9:58 pm to VerlanderBEAST
Ted Williams said the slider was the hardest.
Posted on 8/25/13 at 10:16 pm to Interception
quote:B. It's a no-brainer.
Okay select 1 of 2 choices A. Great Fastball, Great Slider, Average Change-Up B. Great Fastball, Average Slider, Great Change-Up ETA: I'm going A
A pitcher with a sick change-up is nasty. It is the best pitch to compliment a fastball.
Change-ups are not amazing for most people, and so it doesn't work all that well for them. So overall you'd say change-ups aren't that good because not that many people can throw a good one. But if you can throw a nasty change, it is the best pitch in baseball.
Here is something I found online while looking to strengthen my argument:
"We know that pitchers have reputations as being the master of a particular pitch, but which pitchers cause the most swings and misses? Whose slider has the most break? What's the most valuable pitch overall?
In terms of total pitch value, nobody got more mileage out of a pitch than Kershaw and the fastball, generating 25.5 cumulative runs above average. However, for starters it appears that Chris Sale’s changeup takes the cake, matched only by Kelvin Herrera’s change from the reliever group in terms of value per 100 pitches."
If you want more context, here is the link:
https://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2012/10/17/3514442/MLB-best-pitches-ranked-filthy-dickey-kershaw-darvish
Posted on 8/25/13 at 11:45 pm to CyrustheVirus
quote:
I agree that it is a good pitch, but a split has different spin and allows the hitter to read it earlier than a good change up.
no it doesn't. A well thrown split isn't recognizable by spin. It spins forward tightly so it blurs and looks like a fastball. That's why people swing and miss at splits that bounce a foot in front of the plate.
Posted on 8/25/13 at 11:50 pm to LfcSU3520
The knowledge. Continue bringing it.
Posted on 8/25/13 at 11:52 pm to Interception
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B. Great Fastball, Average Slider, Great Change-Up
99% of all big league hitters would much rather face pitcher A
option A is Jeremy Bonderman a few years ago.
option B is Johan Santana
Typically most of the dominating pitchers you can think of (starters) are at or maintain that level because of their change ups (or splits) and it rarely gets discussed.
Posted on 8/25/13 at 11:56 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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12-6 curve
This is the correct answer, followed closely by a good slider
I can't tell you how wrong this is at higher levels.
No matter what, something about a curveball will look different to a hitter out of the hand. It will usually pop up, or the hand angle will be noticeable. Because of that, it means it's rarely ever a true weapon. For some it can be good when used properly, but good hitters never fear it.
Posted on 8/26/13 at 12:02 am to PrimeTime Money
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However, for starters it appears that Chris Sale’s changeup takes the cake, matched only by Kelvin Herrera’s change from the reliever group in terms of value per 100 pitches."
this is great because how a pitcher is perceived outside of the batter's box is usually wrong. Sale is pure fastball, slider- change is his best pitch (same went for CC last few years).
Felix, nobody wants anything to do with his changeup.
Johan Santana used to tip his pitches (subtle things the hitter can see so he knows what's coming) and it didn't make any difference because his changes were that good (this was during his Cy Young years, hitters almost always knew what was coming).
Verlander's stuff is great, but it's his changeup that took him into the elite category in the eyes of hitters.
Posted on 8/26/13 at 12:07 am to LfcSU3520
Major league hitters are such scrubs
You obviously don't know what you're talking about, or you wouldn't have taken a line drive to the face
I kid I kid
You obviously don't know what you're talking about, or you wouldn't have taken a line drive to the face
I kid I kid
Posted on 8/26/13 at 12:12 am to Tiger1242
this isn't a joke- The last thought I had before I threw that pitch was, this would be a great time for a change up.
Without it, I can't keep hitters like that off balance, so they can look to one side of the plate and lunge.
Without it, I can't keep hitters like that off balance, so they can look to one side of the plate and lunge.
Posted on 8/26/13 at 8:39 am to sorantable
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What's toughest? A good knuckleball? Slider? Curve?
Key part of that question is "good knuckleball". Most knuckleball are crap. They don't move at all. A good knuckleball is hard to catch, let alone hit. Even if the pitcher screams it out before he throws it, a good one is completely unpredictable...At least the other pitches follow a smooth path.
Go take a look at some of the videos of catchers crapping on themselves trying to handle some of the better knuckleballers like Niekro and Hough and Wakefield.
Posted on 8/26/13 at 11:42 am to EvrybodysAllAmerican
I don't think it's a curve ball. My son's best advice to hitting a curve ball has paid huge dividends.
Advice: Don't miss the fast ball!
Advice: Don't miss the fast ball!
Posted on 8/26/13 at 5:44 pm to tonyperkis
Backdoor slider that almost hits your back knee. By far, the toughest pitch in baseball.
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