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re: Fresh Ice! NHL Season-Long Thread, Part 2
Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:36 am to Veritas
Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:36 am to Veritas
If you would go back and read it has been discussed ad nauseum here by those who actually wAtch the team. You are just looking at record from the outside and not the process. Come on man don't be like those pumpers on the rant. Lol.
We run a fricked up counter attack offensive system mainly focusing on defense. We do not attack enough. Cmt wants to emulate a lemAire type defense first system? It's not working. Our best bet with CAREY in nets is release the kraken and forecheck and crash the net and fire shots using our speed and skill. We don't. Our pk is good and the d helps at times but not on a lemaire level. I am disgusted with his style. Ask hog fan why he was run the frick out of the igloo and replaced by Bylsma.
ibstead of attacking in the neutral zone we collapse way too early on defense. They call it the " THERRIEN rope a dope strategy".
We run a fricked up counter attack offensive system mainly focusing on defense. We do not attack enough. Cmt wants to emulate a lemAire type defense first system? It's not working. Our best bet with CAREY in nets is release the kraken and forecheck and crash the net and fire shots using our speed and skill. We don't. Our pk is good and the d helps at times but not on a lemaire level. I am disgusted with his style. Ask hog fan why he was run the frick out of the igloo and replaced by Bylsma.
ibstead of attacking in the neutral zone we collapse way too early on defense. They call it the " THERRIEN rope a dope strategy".
This post was edited on 4/2/15 at 10:30 am
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Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:39 am to Baloo
Yeah well caps have that firepower to explode at any time on a team.
Ive seen it.
Ive seen it.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:49 am to Fat Bastard
Not ever against the Habs... man, the Caps can't buy a goal against the Canadiens.
It's almost better for the Caps to fall behind early because what happens when they go up too early is that Trotz goes into a defensive shell and the team stops attacking, and we give up the equalizer. It's frustrating as hell. I'd much rather the Caps be down a goal to start the 3rd than up a goal, just because of how they will play (that dynamic flips at about the 10 minute mark because I'm not stupid... I want a goal).
On Thursday against the Canes, the Caps had ONE shot on goal in the third period. ONE. I get protecting a lead and all, but that's ridiculous. There's this Ovi guy on your team who is pretty good at scoring. You might want to put him on the ice in the 3rd period. Instead, Ovi's line got LESS ice time than Brouwer's line in the game.
It's almost better for the Caps to fall behind early because what happens when they go up too early is that Trotz goes into a defensive shell and the team stops attacking, and we give up the equalizer. It's frustrating as hell. I'd much rather the Caps be down a goal to start the 3rd than up a goal, just because of how they will play (that dynamic flips at about the 10 minute mark because I'm not stupid... I want a goal).
On Thursday against the Canes, the Caps had ONE shot on goal in the third period. ONE. I get protecting a lead and all, but that's ridiculous. There's this Ovi guy on your team who is pretty good at scoring. You might want to put him on the ice in the 3rd period. Instead, Ovi's line got LESS ice time than Brouwer's line in the game.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 10:16 am to Fat Bastard
quote:Yeah well I've seen opposing teams shut down one player and mess up the whole team so there's that....wait didn't your Habs do that a few years back?
Yeah well caps have that firepower to explode at any time on a team.
Ive seen it.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 10:22 am to Baloo
Idk. I recall game 3 in 2010 playoffs where we had a 3 goal lead and it dissolved in no time with backstrom and others going off.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 10:31 am to Fat Bastard
This ain't the 2010 team. The 2010 team scored 318 goals. This year's team has only scored 227 (which actually ranks 3rd in the East). The Bolts lead the NHL with 250 goals. Even if they scored 4 goals a game in their next 5, they'd finish with just 270. That Caps team was on a different planet.
This team is much more defense and grinders with one awesome top line. They shut you down and just wait for either Ovi to beat you or for one of the anonymous lines to get an ugly one.
But, hey. If the Habs want to try the strategy of allowing 50-60 shots a game again and see how that works, I'm all for it. Lightning might strike twice, but I highly doubt it. Though I'd rather beat the Habs tonight and not have to play them.
Price v. Ovi tonight. Hart Trophy on the line?
This team is much more defense and grinders with one awesome top line. They shut you down and just wait for either Ovi to beat you or for one of the anonymous lines to get an ugly one.
But, hey. If the Habs want to try the strategy of allowing 50-60 shots a game again and see how that works, I'm all for it. Lightning might strike twice, but I highly doubt it. Though I'd rather beat the Habs tonight and not have to play them.
Price v. Ovi tonight. Hart Trophy on the line?
Posted on 4/2/15 at 10:34 am to Baloo
Yeah that's nuts by trotz. With Ovie and backie id be attacking relentlessly. Let the others backcheck if they get pinned in down low and a rush goes back the other way. Then you still have holtby as last line of defense.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 10:36 am to Baloo
True. Boudreau was more firewagon right?
Hell no I don't want to give up 60 shots a game again.
Yeah. CAREY should have vezina wrapped up and Ovie has rocket Richard wrapped up. Yep. Definitely a hart battle tonight. Hopefully we show up and make it an exciting game.
Hell no I don't want to give up 60 shots a game again.
Yeah. CAREY should have vezina wrapped up and Ovie has rocket Richard wrapped up. Yep. Definitely a hart battle tonight. Hopefully we show up and make it an exciting game.
This post was edited on 4/2/15 at 10:46 am
Posted on 4/2/15 at 10:44 am to Fat Bastard
quote:
If you would go back and read it has been discussed ad nauseum here by those who actually wAtch the team. You are just looking at record from the outside and not the process. Come on man don't be like those pumpers on the rant. Lol.
my apologies...just with the NHL season being a marathon and your team still having a "chance" to finish the season 1st in the East...I just have a hard time comprehending what is really wrong. Maybe you are just the hard to please type... This post was edited on 4/2/15 at 10:51 am
Posted on 4/2/15 at 10:48 am to Fat Bastard
Yeah, Boudreau was all out attack. Of the top 6 blueliners from that Caps team in 2010, only TWO are currently in the NHL, and one of them was Carlson has a rookie. Firewagon was so much fun, but I would've loved to have seen it with a competent blueline.
It's not just unleashing Ovi, but he's got Burakovsky down in Hershey. I mean, sure he's a kid, but he's a kid who can skate like a mo fo. Right now, he's separated Ovi and Backstrom, which I'm not a huge fan of, but it has allowed Kuznetsov to play with Ovi on the top line. That's great in open ice but he's terrible at faceoffs, and we lose the goals from the Ovi Spot. If they are gonna play Kuzy up there, promote Brouwer as well because he's pretty great at faceoffs. He can play the wing at open ice, and then go the dot on the offensive end faceoff.
...and that would open up the glory of the Tre Kroner Line. MoJo-Backstrom-Burakovsky. We've only seen it a few times this year, but it's been AWESOME when it has. Just beautiful f'n hockey. Please, Trotz. Make it happen.
It's not just unleashing Ovi, but he's got Burakovsky down in Hershey. I mean, sure he's a kid, but he's a kid who can skate like a mo fo. Right now, he's separated Ovi and Backstrom, which I'm not a huge fan of, but it has allowed Kuznetsov to play with Ovi on the top line. That's great in open ice but he's terrible at faceoffs, and we lose the goals from the Ovi Spot. If they are gonna play Kuzy up there, promote Brouwer as well because he's pretty great at faceoffs. He can play the wing at open ice, and then go the dot on the offensive end faceoff.
...and that would open up the glory of the Tre Kroner Line. MoJo-Backstrom-Burakovsky. We've only seen it a few times this year, but it's been AWESOME when it has. Just beautiful f'n hockey. Please, Trotz. Make it happen.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 10:50 am to Veritas
I just don't see us winning a cup with how we are currently coached. We are wasting some offensive talent and the defense is no where near lemaire quality based off SOG. we do have defenders that can score in PK and Markov. Emelin and pateryn can deliver crushing hits. Playoffs is a new season and anything can happen like the great Patrick ROY said. We will see.
This post was edited on 4/2/15 at 11:05 am
Posted on 4/2/15 at 10:57 am to Fat Bastard
I think the defense is Jacques LeMaire quality it is the pieces needed to play the style are not fully in place. When Drewiskie and the young pups get called up next year it will be a fun season.
I think if Gonchar gets back rested and healthy you will see a complete change.
The main issue I have is 3 fold:
I do not like Eller being asked to be a scorer
I do not trust CP31 in playoff time (I don't want to hear you blast me because you know he has not proved anything yet in the NHL Playoffs)
The Power Play is horrific. They should just decline penalties and play 5 on 5.
I think if Gonchar gets back rested and healthy you will see a complete change.
The main issue I have is 3 fold:
I do not like Eller being asked to be a scorer
I do not trust CP31 in playoff time (I don't want to hear you blast me because you know he has not proved anything yet in the NHL Playoffs)
The Power Play is horrific. They should just decline penalties and play 5 on 5.
This post was edited on 4/2/15 at 11:00 am
Posted on 4/2/15 at 10:58 am to Fat Bastard
This is a great photo and I want that jacket.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 11:08 am to Veritas
Jacques "cocoa" lemaire
Awesome coach.
Awesome coach.
This post was edited on 4/2/15 at 11:09 am
Posted on 4/2/15 at 11:39 am to Fat Bastard
I was just thinking about this...
How does Molson not go buy him a coach? I know its not Molson beer money, but they have enough to get some and Bell and Canadian Tire pay enough in sponsorships to not make it hard.
The franchise in my lifetime has gone from Greatness:
Bowman
Perron
Demeres
Burns
To total ineptness:
Trembley
Vigneault
Therrion
I try to blank out Guy's and Martin's reign of ineptness.
How does Molson not go buy him a coach? I know its not Molson beer money, but they have enough to get some and Bell and Canadian Tire pay enough in sponsorships to not make it hard.
The franchise in my lifetime has gone from Greatness:
Bowman
Perron
Demeres
Burns
To total ineptness:
Trembley
Vigneault
Therrion
I try to blank out Guy's and Martin's reign of ineptness.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 11:49 am to sms151t
Well THERRIEN has done one game better than Martin so far during their MONTREAL tenures.
GAME 6 ECF and game 5 ECF. Lol.
This is a sore subject for me and we ARGUE about it all the time on HABS boards.
You wanna know why we are in these coaching predicaments?
One word.
P O L I T I C S.
GAME 6 ECF and game 5 ECF. Lol.
This is a sore subject for me and we ARGUE about it all the time on HABS boards.
You wanna know why we are in these coaching predicaments?
One word.
P O L I T I C S.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 12:16 pm to sms151t
It's a team game.
What more did you want CAREY to prove last year? The dude helped us win two rounds until Kreider ran him out the series.
He was a success and yes I will bash you when you show no rationality or perspective on this issue. I agree with you while he was great back in 2007 as a baby he was not living up to his billing until last year. You need to step away from the ledge as far as always blaming pricey on all problems.
As Les miles would say
HAVE A GREAT DAY!!!!!!
What more did you want CAREY to prove last year? The dude helped us win two rounds until Kreider ran him out the series.
He was a success and yes I will bash you when you show no rationality or perspective on this issue. I agree with you while he was great back in 2007 as a baby he was not living up to his billing until last year. You need to step away from the ledge as far as always blaming pricey on all problems.
As Les miles would say
HAVE A GREAT DAY!!!!!!
Posted on 4/2/15 at 1:48 pm to Fat Bastard
This is hilarious, Habs fans in full implosion mode and 1 win away from being in the lead for the conference title
Carey Price has certainly gotten better as the year has gone on. You guys will be fine until the second round of the playoffs. What's interesting is against good teams (teams winning either 61.7% of games or better), the Price is 9-10-3 with a .931 save percentage and only 1 shutout ; not inspiring at all. Against medium tier he is dominant: 22-6-2
To compare / contrast here are goaltenders with more impressive records against good team:
Ben Bishop: 15-2-2, with a .921 save percentage and 2 shutouts
Braden Holtby; 11-7-4, with a .920 save percentage and 2 Shutouts
Jiroslav Halak; 11-6-1 with a .916 and 1 SO
Dubnyk: 10-2-2 .929 with 2 SOs
Andersen: 8-4-0 .912 with 1 SO
Kari Lehtonen (shocking): 11-7-6 with .912 and 2SOs (Kari ain't the problem......)
Fleury: 8-5-5 with .907 and 2 SOs
Quick: 12-7-3 with .911 and 2 SOs
Hank: 8-8-1 with .909 and 2 SOs
My point is Price can't get it done against good teams. The Habs weren't beating the Rangers last year even if he hadn't got run over by Kreider. It's not a case of No Price, No Dice, it's a case of Habs not being able to put away good teams.
After looking down that list I am scared shitless of the Bolts and Islanders.
Carey Price has certainly gotten better as the year has gone on. You guys will be fine until the second round of the playoffs. What's interesting is against good teams (teams winning either 61.7% of games or better), the Price is 9-10-3 with a .931 save percentage and only 1 shutout ; not inspiring at all. Against medium tier he is dominant: 22-6-2
To compare / contrast here are goaltenders with more impressive records against good team:
Ben Bishop: 15-2-2, with a .921 save percentage and 2 shutouts
Braden Holtby; 11-7-4, with a .920 save percentage and 2 Shutouts
Jiroslav Halak; 11-6-1 with a .916 and 1 SO
Dubnyk: 10-2-2 .929 with 2 SOs
Andersen: 8-4-0 .912 with 1 SO
Kari Lehtonen (shocking): 11-7-6 with .912 and 2SOs (Kari ain't the problem......)
Fleury: 8-5-5 with .907 and 2 SOs
Quick: 12-7-3 with .911 and 2 SOs
Hank: 8-8-1 with .909 and 2 SOs
My point is Price can't get it done against good teams. The Habs weren't beating the Rangers last year even if he hadn't got run over by Kreider. It's not a case of No Price, No Dice, it's a case of Habs not being able to put away good teams.
After looking down that list I am scared shitless of the Bolts and Islanders.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 4:21 pm to ironsides
yeah I used to think the same thing, then Carey won a gold medal at the Olympics and I think that changed his confidence level...
Posted on 4/2/15 at 4:31 pm to LSUCanFAN
It has but he's not proven anything in a series format yet.
He won 1 series last year. The Tampa series was a gift. Until he does, I am skeptical, rightly so.
He won 1 series last year. The Tampa series was a gift. Until he does, I am skeptical, rightly so.
This post was edited on 4/2/15 at 4:33 pm
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