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Posted on 7/15/14 at 7:45 pm to emmanuellewis
There aren't as many great third baseman as many people assume
Posted on 7/15/14 at 7:46 pm to NorthGAVol
quote:
Is this a joke?
Ripken's top 3 seasons at the plate were:
.323/.374/.566 (.940 OPS)
.340/.368/.584 (.952 OPS)
.318/.371/.517 (.888 OPS)
Chipper's top 3:
.319/.441/.633 (1.074 OPS)
.364/.470/.574 (1.044 OPS)
.330/.427/.605 (1.032 OPS)
Ripken had 2 seasons with an OPS above .900
Chipper had 11 seasons with an OPS above .900
You are comparing the OPS of a SS of the 80's to a 3B of the late 90's and early 00s. You are also ignoring the gigantic gap in fielding ability.
learn some baseball. This post was edited on 7/15/14 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 7/15/14 at 7:47 pm to cubsfan5150
If Jeter produced as he has, yeah minus the Championships which help any player.....
Jeter has been a great player and one who isn't hated among the media/rival players which is part of the reason he and Mo have received such a sendoff
Jeter has been a great player and one who isn't hated among the media/rival players which is part of the reason he and Mo have received such a sendoff
Posted on 7/15/14 at 7:50 pm to VerlanderBEAST
quote:
You are comparing the OPS of a SS of the 80's to a 3B of the late 90's and early 00s. You are also ignoring the gigantic gap in fielding ability.
Agree, different positions and eras. Could have thrown OPS+ in there to control for era, which would still be a big advantage for Chipper.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 7:50 pm to VerlanderBEAST
quote:
No. Schmidt Brett Boggs Matthews Robinson are top 5. Chipper is 6th or 8th depending on whether we include Cabrera and A-Rod
quote:
learn some baseball
Posted on 7/15/14 at 7:51 pm to tduecen
quote:
There aren't as many great third baseman as many people assume
Yeah, I went off on a bit of a tangent there. I agree with your main point that Jones is Top 3-5 at third.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 7:57 pm to tduecen
Look, If Jeter is a "first ballot" Hall of Famer, then Biggio should have absolutely no problem getting in which, judging by the fact that he has for four years, he has had problems.
This post was edited on 7/15/14 at 8:04 pm
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:00 pm to cubsfan5150
Biggio probably should of been.....
However at the end of the day Jeter has played a more glorious position, for a better team (one he has been very important too), and he has compiled a lot of important stats.
Biggio isn't in mainly because of Bagwell and Caminiti in my opinion
However at the end of the day Jeter has played a more glorious position, for a better team (one he has been very important too), and he has compiled a lot of important stats.
Biggio isn't in mainly because of Bagwell and Caminiti in my opinion
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:03 pm to Hoyt
quote:Overrated
Chipper Jones: Overrated or Not?
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:03 pm to tduecen
Biggio isn't in because he didn't play for the Yankees, Cubs, Red Sox, etc.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:07 pm to cubsfan5150
quote:Thats just stupid...
Biggio isn't in because he didn't play for the Yankees, Cubs, Red Sox, etc.
Jeter has been a better player than Biggio
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:14 pm to Hoyt
Grotesquely overrated.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:16 pm to kilo
quote:
Overrated
Calling Overrated is so Overrated
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:28 pm to cubsfan5150
quote:No he has not
Jeter has been a better player than Biggio
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:40 pm to VerlanderBEAST
Lets see....
higher career average
higher career on base percentage
higher career slugging percentage
higher career OPS
higher career OPS+
yea he has
higher career average
higher career on base percentage
higher career slugging percentage
higher career OPS
higher career OPS+
yea he has
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:54 pm to tduecen
Played in a better lineup in a more hitter friendly Park for the most part.
I do agree that Jeter is better, but if Jeter played nearly any other city, he's lobbying to get in, and sure as hell isn't first ballot.
If it takes Biggio 5 yrs to get in, it would take Jeter 4,depending on who's up against them.
I do agree that Jeter is better, but if Jeter played nearly any other city, he's lobbying to get in, and sure as hell isn't first ballot.
If it takes Biggio 5 yrs to get in, it would take Jeter 4,depending on who's up against them.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:57 pm to tduecen
quote:
Thats just stupid...
Not really. If Biggio had the exact same numbers but played for a media darling, he's in on the first ballot.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:58 pm to Lsuhoohoo
BING-frickING-O
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:59 pm to cubsfan5150
quote:and Biggio didn't? He played with Bagell, Caminiti, Derek Bell, Berkman, etc plus studies have shown that line up "protection" is overrated and not really a thing....
Played in a better lineup
quote:again this is just stupid, you are looking at a guy who is a top 10 All-Time SS who is about to finish Top 6 all time in hits. Had he done this in San Diego or Pittsburgh he is still a first ballot HOF player
I do agree that Jeter is better, but if Jeter played nearly any other city, he's lobbying to get in, and sure as hell isn't first ballot.
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