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re: Can someone explain the LHSAA situation to me?

Posted on 6/9/16 at 4:25 pm to
Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 6/9/16 at 4:25 pm to
So why is it a shock that they voted 7-1 in favor of the split?

Thats not corruption.

It would make sense if you were complaining about the smaller private schools being swayed to vote for the split, but thats not the case.

This post was edited on 6/9/16 at 4:30 pm
Posted by Andy Bernard
Cornell University
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 6/9/16 at 4:25 pm to
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a system like Sabine Parish that has Many and 6 other B and C schools has a 7-1 vote advantage over my St. Bernard Parish, despite the fact that we educate more kids than they do. Don't think Norman Booker doesn't know this.


exactly.

Class B and C schools shouldn't have been allowed to vote on football split
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
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Posted on 6/9/16 at 4:29 pm to
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Because the smaller the school, the more susceptible they are to receiving bribes for their vote

So if they didn't agree with the big schools who know what's best for everyone it means they were bribed?

Can't argue with that logic.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 6/9/16 at 4:29 pm to
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Thats not corruption.
Yes it is... I ran the numbers and us and St. Charles parish are the most disenfranchised in the LHSAA voting, by having the most students per vote
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 6/9/16 at 4:30 pm to
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What a stupid fricking comment. So the larger schools should be able to dictate what the smaller schools do? Does Edwin Edwards vote for Governor count more than mine or yours?

When you vote for president, does every state count equally, or do bigger states get more voting power? Do Texas and North Dakota count equally? --- No, bc Texas has millions more people than North Dakota. Same thing goes for schools with 10k students vs schools with 100 students

Edit: my fix to this would be that schools get a vote for every 100 students they have, and schools with less than 100 get 1 vote. So a school with 1000 students gets 10 votes, giving it a weighted voting power based on the number of students it stands for
This post was edited on 6/9/16 at 4:33 pm
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 6/9/16 at 4:31 pm to
20 years by Southern Lab in what sport, track?
Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
45122 posts
Posted on 6/9/16 at 4:31 pm to
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Class B and C schools shouldn't have been allowed to vote on football split


Ehh dont completely disagree. However they are still a part of the LHSAA and get a vote on everything proposed. Situations like Houma Christian for example. They were B, jumped up in class and started playing football. Fairly rare but they deserve a vote just like everyone else.

Regardless those votes wouldnt have changed the outcome, and it led to including the other 4 major sports.
Posted by southernelite
Dallas
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 6/9/16 at 4:31 pm to
So should there be a house and a Senate for the LHSAA. Good lord
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 6/9/16 at 4:32 pm to
Class B and C schools voting on football makes as much sense as male only schools like Catholic BR voting on volleyball.
Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
45122 posts
Posted on 6/9/16 at 4:33 pm to
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When you vote for president, does every state count equally, or do bigger states get more voting power? Do Texas and North Dakota count equally? --- No, bc Texas has millions more people than North Dakota. Same thing goes for schools with 10k students vs schools with 100 students


When the rules in the LHSAA constitution state differently, yeah it does matter. Notice I said each person, not the states as a whole as an example.

Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
30655 posts
Posted on 6/9/16 at 4:34 pm to
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So should there be a house and a Senate for the LHSAA. Good lord

Good lord you're a dumbass. It's a fricking analogy. I edited it to make it clear for people like you
Posted by southernelite
Dallas
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 6/9/16 at 4:36 pm to
Lab dominated 1A basketball from the 90s-00s
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
47954 posts
Posted on 6/9/16 at 4:36 pm to
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When the rules in the LHSAA constitution state differently, yeah it does matter
that's how you get a new organization, with a new Constitution... I want 5A and 4A to break off into their own association. There's enough big schools in every region of the state to make it work
This post was edited on 6/9/16 at 4:39 pm
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
30655 posts
Posted on 6/9/16 at 4:38 pm to
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When the rules in the LHSAA constitution state differently, yeah it does matter. Notice I said each person, not the states as a whole as an example.

I have no idea what their rules state. I'm making a suggestion for how it should be. And I used states because the states are not individual people, but a weighted vote based off of the number of people that reside in them. Same situation applies here. Schools aren't individual people. They are collections of students, some large, some small
Posted by Andy Bernard
Cornell University
Member since Apr 2016
1744 posts
Posted on 6/9/16 at 4:43 pm to
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Class B and C schools voting on football makes as much sense as male only schools like Catholic BR voting on volleyball.


Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
28019 posts
Posted on 6/9/16 at 4:47 pm to
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I have no idea what their rules state.

It sounds like you're the perfect person to speculate on what's wrong or how to fix it, and we should definitely take everything you say seriously.
Posted by lsutigers1992
Member since Mar 2006
25317 posts
Posted on 6/9/16 at 5:20 pm to
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And you didn't explain why it's "corrupt".


Because the smaller the school, the more susceptible they are to receiving bribes for their vote



It's not corruption. It's one of the fundamental flaws of democracy. Humans are human and are swayed by selfish motives over the greater good. We all want ours. The ones with the lowest stake in the fight have the most important votes because their vote is on sale to the side that will give them the most.

Look at SEC football. Why do LSU and Florida play every year? Because it's "fair?" Hell no. It's because the Mississippi schools don't want to lose Vanderbilt and Kentucky. Let somebody else play Florida every year.
Posted by bigcatfish
Member since Feb 2009
1282 posts
Posted on 6/9/16 at 5:57 pm to
I have read through this thread and I really do not understand some of the logic. Let's say Hillary wins the presidential election by 56.5%. Is she going to say I am sorry we can vote again? Is the minority going to get to dictate what the majority does? Become a principal and get a vote. Become a principal and run for the executive committee. Do something to try and fix it rather than just talk about it. It appears that some of you who are posting are very uninformed by some of your comments. Bribes??
Posted by lsutigers1992
Member since Mar 2006
25317 posts
Posted on 6/9/16 at 6:06 pm to
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I have read through this thread and I really do not understand some of the logic. Let's say Hillary wins the presidential election by 56.5%. Is she going to say I am sorry we can vote again? Is the minority going to get to dictate what the majority does? Become a principal and get a vote. Become a principal and run for the executive committee. Do something to try and fix it rather than just talk about it. It appears that some of you who are posting are very uninformed by some of your comments. Bribes??



Do you think we're talking about money here? If you vote for the split, I'll take care of something you want down the line. That's bribery.

And you are aware that we don't elect a president by a popular vote, right? That's why people in a swing state like Ohio matter more than people in Louisiana, where you already know the Republican is going to win.

Democracy in action.
Posted by TROLA
BATON ROUGE
Member since Apr 2004
12452 posts
Posted on 6/9/16 at 6:42 pm to
There is no logical reason for rural 150 student schools to have the same influence as a 1500 student consilidated school.. Especially when the B/C schools are being influenced with subtle threats of changing the way they operate.
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