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Can someone explain the LHSAA situation to me?
Posted on 6/9/16 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 6/9/16 at 2:48 pm
I tried to read the thread that's already going but I think I've missed too much to catch up.
1. Why the split a few years ago? Who wanted to separate the schools? Why?
2. Are all select schools private? If not, what makes a school select?
3. Is the LHSAA dirty like all other entities in this state?
4. What are the pros and cons a the select schools making their own league?
5. How does it affect the kids?
I know that's a lot of questions but I'm really confused. Thanks.
1. Why the split a few years ago? Who wanted to separate the schools? Why?
2. Are all select schools private? If not, what makes a school select?
3. Is the LHSAA dirty like all other entities in this state?
4. What are the pros and cons a the select schools making their own league?
5. How does it affect the kids?
I know that's a lot of questions but I'm really confused. Thanks.
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Posted on 6/9/16 at 2:52 pm to OldSouth
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Are all select schools private? If not, what makes a school select?
All private schools are select and some public magnet schools
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Why the split a few years ago? Who wanted to separate the schools? Why?
People from N. LA
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. Is the LHSAA dirty like all other entities in this state?
Yep
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What are the pros and cons a the select schools making their own league?
Play with their own rules and schools that want to play them. Con is lhsaa goes to even more shite
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How does it affect the kids?
Shite teams make the playoffs. Too many trophies
Posted on 6/9/16 at 3:07 pm to OldSouth
quote:
1. Why the split a few years ago? Who wanted to separate the schools? Why?
Winnfield principal because her best team ever lost in the state championship and was butthurt.
Posted on 6/9/16 at 3:10 pm to OldSouth
The "who" starts with the principal of Many and other small towns butthurt about being forced to compete against John Curtis et all.
It is the fallout of changes made to the classifications in the early 2000s when big school got tired of playing Curtis et all.
Instead of trying to fix the problems, the publics forced a split from the privates in football that resulted in nearly every team in the state getting into the playoffs, even with 0 wins on the year.
The split is going into overdrive because it is now being expanded into basketball and softball / baseball as well.
Needless to say, a lot of private schools are pissed that they are getting treated as second class citizens because one annoying bitch got upset her school's best team in a generation got curb stomped by Curtis.
It is getting to the point where private schools won't schedule public schools outside of district match ups if the public school voted for the split.
It is the fallout of changes made to the classifications in the early 2000s when big school got tired of playing Curtis et all.
Instead of trying to fix the problems, the publics forced a split from the privates in football that resulted in nearly every team in the state getting into the playoffs, even with 0 wins on the year.
The split is going into overdrive because it is now being expanded into basketball and softball / baseball as well.
Needless to say, a lot of private schools are pissed that they are getting treated as second class citizens because one annoying bitch got upset her school's best team in a generation got curb stomped by Curtis.
It is getting to the point where private schools won't schedule public schools outside of district match ups if the public school voted for the split.
Posted on 6/9/16 at 3:12 pm to teke184
And in a related note, a lot of ire is being aimed at Class B and C schools who voted for the split because they don't even play football.
There had been implicit threats by some groups that those classes would be eliminated if they didn't vote to split football on public / private lines.
There had been implicit threats by some groups that those classes would be eliminated if they didn't vote to split football on public / private lines.
Posted on 6/9/16 at 3:14 pm to bigdubya11
quote:
1. Why the split a few years ago? Who wanted to separate the schools? Why?
Winnfield principal because her best team ever lost in the state championship and was butthurt.
wrong their best ever team lost in the semis to st louis in 1978
and their second best beat JC in the finals in 1982.. that was their third best.......
Posted on 6/9/16 at 3:15 pm to YeahYeah
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How does it affect the kids?
Shite teams make the playoffs. Too many trophies
actually the 3a selects are forced to play UP with the 4A selects in the playoffs.... when really the 4a should be with 5a...
Posted on 6/9/16 at 3:16 pm to choupiquesushi
who cares? You get the point? Her, Norman Booker and Co. have ruined the LHSAA
Posted on 6/9/16 at 3:16 pm to YeahYeah
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Why the split a few years ago? Who wanted to separate the schools? Why?
People from N. LA
wrong again....
all three Ascension parish 5a schools voted for it...
Posted on 6/9/16 at 3:16 pm to teke184
quote:How did that even get tacked onto the school relations committee plan? It makes me think the executive committee wanted to sabotage yesterday's meeting
There had been implicit threats by some groups that those classes would be eliminated if they didn't vote to split football on public / private lines.
Posted on 6/9/16 at 3:19 pm to chalmetteowl
Kind of but not really.
The proposal effectively combined B and C into 1A while making 2A the lowest football playing classification.
The net effect is B and C combined and all other classes moving up a number.
The proposal effectively combined B and C into 1A while making 2A the lowest football playing classification.
The net effect is B and C combined and all other classes moving up a number.
Posted on 6/9/16 at 3:19 pm to choupiquesushi
quote:why would they do that?
all three Ascension parish 5a schools voted for it...
Posted on 6/9/16 at 3:22 pm to OldSouth
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5. How does it affect the kids?
It has hurt the feelings of a bunch of adults much more so than any kid.
Posted on 6/9/16 at 3:23 pm to OldSouth
1. There is more backstory to this than just the Principal of Winnfield, but she's the one that took the bull by the horns and started politicking because her school finally made it to the Superdome and got beat by John Curtis Christian School 33-3. Some in the other threads assert that the move for the split started 12 or 13 years ago.
Blame is apportioned equally to the Catholic League in New Orleans for not accepting John Curtis way back, and by many schools in all divisions who forced John Curtis and Evangel Christian to play at their enrollment classification. Thus, for years they destroyed AA competition.
Either way, after Winnfield's loss, the principal went nuts, and began leading a charge in which she was successful to force select schools (those schools that can "select" who attends) and non-select schools (those that can NOT "select who attends...public schools) to have their own or split playoffs. She did this by galvanizing support from a vast majority of public school principals, enough to garner enough votes at the LHSAA meetings. Principal Norman Booker, of Many, has since, got enough votes to expand the split to basketball, volleyball and softball/baseball.
They have done this while, Catholic League excepted, maintaining mixed districts in regular season play.
2. A school is select when it can choose which students to accept or select. All private schools are select, because they are private and can reject students. Public magnet schools may also be select as they can also turn away students for any reason. There are a couple in the state, but some have switched from one to the other.
3. I'm sure there is corruption, it's a Louisiana-based association, after all. They hired a new CEO a couple years ago to fix it, and he has not been able to get the public schools (non-select) to change their minds, and instead they've split in other sports, now. He has to abide by their wishes because the LHSAA is a voting membership-driven organization. He's either got to live with it or resign.
5. It affects the kids by "watering-down" the competition. There are five classifications of public schools and four divisions of private schools, thus there are nine state championships in football. The rest of the split has not yet been implemented. It means that the AAAAA and the Division I each crown a champion, and both claim to be State Champions of the largest schools. AAAAA can still fill a 32 team bracket because there are enough schools (although more than a few will have losing records for the regular season) Division I has 10 schools so at least two schools get byes in the first round. The second round is, already, the quarter-finals.
I don't know if that directly affects the kids, per se. But down in the smaller classifications it does, because there was at least one winless school and quite a few one and two win schools down there. As #32 seeds, they were consigned to getting totally pummeled in the first round. That's got to affect somebody.
The selects, all together still don't amount to half of the voting population, so they are forced to accept whatever the public school principals decide and vote on. Thus the serious consideration of creating their own entity so that they have at least a reasonable chance of enacting rules or structures in their own best interest. Even if you get them all to vote one way, they still lose. Who, in their right thinking, wants to belong to an organization where all policy is made by vote, and not be able to affect that vote?
Blame is apportioned equally to the Catholic League in New Orleans for not accepting John Curtis way back, and by many schools in all divisions who forced John Curtis and Evangel Christian to play at their enrollment classification. Thus, for years they destroyed AA competition.
Either way, after Winnfield's loss, the principal went nuts, and began leading a charge in which she was successful to force select schools (those schools that can "select" who attends) and non-select schools (those that can NOT "select who attends...public schools) to have their own or split playoffs. She did this by galvanizing support from a vast majority of public school principals, enough to garner enough votes at the LHSAA meetings. Principal Norman Booker, of Many, has since, got enough votes to expand the split to basketball, volleyball and softball/baseball.
They have done this while, Catholic League excepted, maintaining mixed districts in regular season play.
2. A school is select when it can choose which students to accept or select. All private schools are select, because they are private and can reject students. Public magnet schools may also be select as they can also turn away students for any reason. There are a couple in the state, but some have switched from one to the other.
3. I'm sure there is corruption, it's a Louisiana-based association, after all. They hired a new CEO a couple years ago to fix it, and he has not been able to get the public schools (non-select) to change their minds, and instead they've split in other sports, now. He has to abide by their wishes because the LHSAA is a voting membership-driven organization. He's either got to live with it or resign.
5. It affects the kids by "watering-down" the competition. There are five classifications of public schools and four divisions of private schools, thus there are nine state championships in football. The rest of the split has not yet been implemented. It means that the AAAAA and the Division I each crown a champion, and both claim to be State Champions of the largest schools. AAAAA can still fill a 32 team bracket because there are enough schools (although more than a few will have losing records for the regular season) Division I has 10 schools so at least two schools get byes in the first round. The second round is, already, the quarter-finals.
I don't know if that directly affects the kids, per se. But down in the smaller classifications it does, because there was at least one winless school and quite a few one and two win schools down there. As #32 seeds, they were consigned to getting totally pummeled in the first round. That's got to affect somebody.
The selects, all together still don't amount to half of the voting population, so they are forced to accept whatever the public school principals decide and vote on. Thus the serious consideration of creating their own entity so that they have at least a reasonable chance of enacting rules or structures in their own best interest. Even if you get them all to vote one way, they still lose. Who, in their right thinking, wants to belong to an organization where all policy is made by vote, and not be able to affect that vote?
This post was edited on 6/9/16 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 6/9/16 at 3:23 pm to choupiquesushi
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all three Ascension parish 5a schools voted for it...
DP you have the link to the voting? I have seen it for previous votes, but not for this one. Thanks.
Posted on 6/9/16 at 3:24 pm to MOT
Will it draw kids that might get recruited to the new league since they will presumably be playing better competition?
Posted on 6/9/16 at 3:27 pm to RedPop4
Thanks for taking the time to answer guys, I appreciate it. Can't say it makes any more sense, but I appreciate it. 
Posted on 6/9/16 at 3:34 pm to RedPop4
Don't forget the folly of small 1a, B, and C schools having an equally weighted vote as the 5a powerhouses we all hear about... no corruption there lol
Posted on 6/9/16 at 3:35 pm to OldSouth
There is a lot of contempt, even in this forum, between one and the other. It's also a geographically driven thing. There are WAY more public schools in the northern part of the state than in the south. The northern guys have contempt for the southern, especially the northern publics toward us southern private or Catholic schools. Personally, I have or try to have a healthy respect for everyone, but a lot of folks don't share that.
Principal Booker of Many (I could be wrong) earlier this year proposed a "rural" vs. "urban/suburban" split as opposed to public or private. That was defeated, or may not have even made it to a vote.
Principal Booker of Many (I could be wrong) earlier this year proposed a "rural" vs. "urban/suburban" split as opposed to public or private. That was defeated, or may not have even made it to a vote.
Posted on 6/9/16 at 3:36 pm to choupiquesushi
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all three Ascension parish 5a schools voted for it...
Well that's because all 3 of them suck.
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