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re: Can someone explain the LHSAA situation to me?
Posted on 6/9/16 at 3:38 pm to RedPop4
Posted on 6/9/16 at 3:38 pm to RedPop4
quote:that wasn't Booker... that was Louis Cook... but Booker is talking like he's the real commish loll
Principal Booker of Many (I could be wrong) earlier this year proposed a "rural" vs. "urban/suburban" split as opposed to public or private. That was defeated, or may not have even made it to a vote.
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Posted on 6/9/16 at 3:39 pm to chalmetteowl
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Don't forget the folly of small 1a, B, and C schools having an equally weighted vote as the 5a powerhouses we all hear about... no corruption there lol
What a stupid fricking comment. So the larger schools should be able to dictate what the smaller schools do?
Does Edwin Edwards vote for Governor count more than mine or yours?
Posted on 6/9/16 at 3:44 pm to RedPop4
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Blame is apportioned equally to the Catholic League in New Orleans for not accepting John Curtis way back
When was that? I always remember Curtis wanting to play up but not all the way up, saying it would hurt all of their non football programs.
One year the principal at Shaw (Begg?) put in a proposal the would allow teams to play up in football and remain on the level in all other sports. It was defeated.
Posted on 6/9/16 at 3:47 pm to OldSouth
The private schools are going to form their own league. I think that's a great move for them.
Posted on 6/9/16 at 3:49 pm to More beer please
Look at it from the other way. Should a school with less than 200 students, or WELL smaller than that, and NO football program have an equal say in making policy and rules for the largest classification and division in football? So Classes B and C are the super-delegates who will decide the final regulations and competitions?
Let's not forget, too, and this isn't directed at you, More Beer, that the principals vote in the LHSAA. Is that the best way to do this? Yes the principals are the ultimate responsible parties for all aspects of school operations. I read posts over the last three years of this discussion, as well as articles, that stated there were any number of principals who voted in favor of the split, who were urged, advised, begged by their athletic directors and coaches to vote the other way.
That's a LHSAA constitution rule, likely, and would bring vigorous debate on both sides of the issue. Some believe it should be athletic directors or even coaches voting.
Let's not forget, too, and this isn't directed at you, More Beer, that the principals vote in the LHSAA. Is that the best way to do this? Yes the principals are the ultimate responsible parties for all aspects of school operations. I read posts over the last three years of this discussion, as well as articles, that stated there were any number of principals who voted in favor of the split, who were urged, advised, begged by their athletic directors and coaches to vote the other way.
That's a LHSAA constitution rule, likely, and would bring vigorous debate on both sides of the issue. Some believe it should be athletic directors or even coaches voting.
Posted on 6/9/16 at 3:51 pm to chalmetteowl
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Don't forget the folly of small 1a, B, and C schools having an equally weighted vote as the 5a powerhouses we all hear about... no corruption there lol
How is that corrupt?
Posted on 6/9/16 at 3:52 pm to TigerintheNO
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When was that? I always remember Curtis wanting to play up but not all the way up, saying it would hurt all of their non football programs.
One year the principal at Shaw (Begg?) put in a proposal the would allow teams to play up in football and remain on the level in all other sports. It was defeated.
In the other thread I saw that someone posted this. Without going back to the thread, they indicated it was around 2004. It may have been earlier. I remember climbing my backyard fence a number of years ago, late 1990s, to watch Evangel vs. Rummel in the playoffs at E.J. The Evangel Q.B. was the last of the Booty players at Evangel. He threw the ball like an NFL QB, we were standing behind the north end zone of Yenni.
Posted on 6/9/16 at 3:57 pm to RedPop4
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Look at it from the other way. Should a school with less than 200 students, or WELL smaller than that, and NO football program have an equal say in making policy and rules for the largest classification and division in football? So Classes B and C are the super-delegates who will decide the final regulations and competitions?
They do participate in the other 4 sports which are involved in this now.
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me believe it should be athletic directors or even coaches voting.
I dont disagree with this at all. I just scrolled through the voting results and the large majoirty of these 1A, B, C schools that were private voted against the split. How is that corruption if they went with the overall private MO?
Posted on 6/9/16 at 3:59 pm to MOT
quote:Its like the small pacific islands voting in FIFA elections with the likes of Brazil, Germany, England, etc. Too many schools who are athletically insignificant have a say in what the significant ones do
How is that corrupt?
Posted on 6/9/16 at 4:00 pm to RedPop4
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Principal Booker of Many (I could be wrong) earlier this year proposed a "rural" vs. "urban/suburban" split as opposed to public or private. That was defeated, or may not have even made it to a vote.
There is some logic there. Whatever way you split up the rural schools from the Jesus Football Academies.
Jonesboro-Hodge and John Curtis playing in the same football classification is absolutely asinine.
It's like saying Utah Valley baseball is the same as LSU baseball. I mean, Utah Valley actually has more students than LSU.
Posted on 6/9/16 at 4:09 pm to lsutigers1992
I don't really agree with the split, but something had to be done. Back in the early 2000s when Evangel was a national powerhouse and got sent to 1A was plain ridiculous.
When teams in 1A and 2A are more concerned with the safety of their athletes than anything else, that's a huge issue. You had Evangel and teams like Merryville that absolutely didn't belong on the same field.
When teams in 1A and 2A are more concerned with the safety of their athletes than anything else, that's a huge issue. You had Evangel and teams like Merryville that absolutely didn't belong on the same field.
Posted on 6/9/16 at 4:11 pm to chalmetteowl
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Too many schools who are athletically insignificant have a say in what the significant ones do
So at what point are member schools allowed to have a voice?
ETA: And you didn't explain why it's "corrupt".
This post was edited on 6/9/16 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 6/9/16 at 4:12 pm to southernelite
quote:that went out the window when they expanded the split to baseball and basketball...
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When teams in 1A and 2A are more concerned with the safety of their athletes than anything else, that's a huge issue.
Posted on 6/9/16 at 4:19 pm to chalmetteowl
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Its like the small pacific islands voting in FIFA elections with the likes of Brazil, Germany, England, etc. Too many schools who are athletically insignificant have a say in what the significant ones do
Dude thats not how voting works here.
NCAA members votes count equally just like any other system that votes. Many schools there are "athletically insignificant".
What, you want Chalmette, Jesuit, Catholic, West Monroe to just make the rules for everyone bc they have more students?
This post was edited on 6/9/16 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 6/9/16 at 4:19 pm to MOT
quote:a system like Sabine Parish that has Many and 6 other B and C schools has a 7-1 vote advantage over my St. Bernard Parish, despite the fact that we educate more kids than they do. Don't think Norman Booker doesn't know this.
So at what point are member schools allowed to have a voice?
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And you didn't explain why it's "corrupt".
Because the smaller the school, the more susceptible they are to receiving bribes for their vote
Posted on 6/9/16 at 4:21 pm to chalmetteowl
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This post was edited on 6/9/16 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 6/9/16 at 4:21 pm to chalmetteowl
I never said anything about that, just pointing out how it started.
Then you have teams like Southern Lab winning what 22 state championships in a row? Then people are going to what they can to stop it.
Again. I don't agree with the split, but competitive balance is an issue in small classifications.
Then you have teams like Southern Lab winning what 22 state championships in a row? Then people are going to what they can to stop it.
Again. I don't agree with the split, but competitive balance is an issue in small classifications.
Posted on 6/9/16 at 4:22 pm to More beer please
quote:it'd be better than what we have now
What, you want Chalmette, Jesuit, Catholic, West Monroe to just make the rules for everyone bc they have more students?
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Or we could artificially deconsolidate to give us more votes with neighborhood schools... the Catholic League could split into about 50 1A schools and I'd bet they cry foul in North LA
Posted on 6/9/16 at 4:23 pm to chalmetteowl
How many of those are public?
Posted on 6/9/16 at 4:24 pm to More beer please
Every school in Sabine Parish is public
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