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re: Bryce Harper got tossed for being out of the batter's box
Posted on 5/21/15 at 8:24 am to sicboy
Posted on 5/21/15 at 8:24 am to sicboy
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It's just what happens. Don't argue balls and strikes. It's the fast track to an ejection, and it's been that way for a long time.
If he was actually ejecting someone for arguing balls and strikes, it would have been Matt Williams immediately. And like Hendo keeps saying, if we are really following the rules here, add a strike to the count if he's not getting back in the box as fast as you would like (again the only reason he was out of the box is because the ump started yelling back at Williams)
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Posted on 5/21/15 at 8:29 am to sicboy
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Unless there's more back story, just shake your head, at the MOST, and finish the at bat
All I saw was the ESPN highlight that showed the call. Harper kept both feet in the box, and chirped a bit while adjusting his helmet and his grip. Didn't even look back at the umpire while doing it. Then it jumped to him 10 feet out of the box prior to the ejection so until I see what transpired in between, I'll reserve judgment on that part.
I will say that by the time he got that far out of the box and turned back to the umpire, he had decided he was going to get tossed and wanted his money's worth. Same with Williams when he came out of the dugout.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 8:32 am to sicboy
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Maybe a little bit of ego.
Maybe?
As someone who spends a lot of time behind the plate without a mitt, I usually try to see the side of the umpire. In this case, the ONLY thing I can see is there was more leading up to this. Rules state that if the batter refuses to return to the box, he is issued a warning on the first offense. Subsequent offenses may be subject to league office discipline (That's bullshite there). No where does it mention it is an ejectionable offense. My thought is he told the umpire something objectionable when he told him he had to stay in the box. THAT is an ejectionable offense.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 8:34 am to etm512
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If he was actually ejecting someone for arguing balls and strikes, it would have been Matt Williams immediately.
He definitely should have run Williams or who ever he was arguing with in the dugout going back to the previous batter. If he was going to take his his mask off and draw that much attention to the situation he has to toss them or the situation was going to get worse, and that's what happened.
With that being said, Harper wasn't ejected for stepping out of the box. I don't know how many times that needs to be said. The exchange at that point, and his antics (pointing at the box, tip toeing to the box or whatever he was doing) is why he was ejected.
He argued the call when it happened, stepped out and continued talking, stepped back in and continued talking, and then that's when the ump drew attention to himself and the dugout. You're better off making the argument that he was justified in showing up the ump because of how the umpire was acting than to pretend he was only tossed for stepping out.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 8:34 am to The Sad Banana
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but it isn't as outrageous as everyone is saying.
I don't know. It's pretty outrageous. Sure harp baited him a little, but ump was just looking for an excuse to become the center of attention. I can't think of a more ridiculous ejection off the top of my head.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 8:35 am to Wayne Campbell
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Didn't even look back at the umpire while doing it.
Watch the same clip? That's exactly what he did. Looked dead at him.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 8:37 am to piggidyphish
quote:Like I said, it looks bad because it's Bryce Harper. If this happens to Matt Szczur do we care? Nope.
I don't know. It's pretty outrageous. Sure harp baited him a little, but ump was just looking for an excuse to become the center of attention. I can't think of a more ridiculous ejection off the top of my head.
I'm not saying the umpire is right, and I'm not saying Harper is a saint, I'm just pointing out that we don't know what either guy said to each other. I tend to believe that there are some magic words that could get you run pretty quick.
This post was edited on 5/21/15 at 8:39 am
Posted on 5/21/15 at 8:39 am to The Sad Banana
I want to see the entire clip. From the point Harper says something to the ump to when he runs up and puts his toe in.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 8:41 am to sicboy
I haven't seen the play or read the entire thread.
But it seems that Harper was tossed for arguing balls and strikes basically. The dugout or the batter can not argue those without being tossed, its been that way for years.
But it seems that Harper was tossed for arguing balls and strikes basically. The dugout or the batter can not argue those without being tossed, its been that way for years.
This post was edited on 5/21/15 at 8:45 am
Posted on 5/21/15 at 8:42 am to The Sad Banana
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If this happens to Matt Szczur do we care? Nope.
Ump acts like that on anyone and I'm going to care. Sure it's national news because it's harp and the only thing people love more than enjoying watching how good he is is hating him for being so good while being young and brash (ie doesn't respect the game cloud yellers)
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magic words
Umps need thicker skin...it's their job to run the game, not become part of it.
This post was edited on 5/21/15 at 8:43 am
Posted on 5/21/15 at 8:42 am to sicboy
To me, Harper doesn't like the call. He lets the umpire know, digs in, but then it looks like he gets out of the box then Williams starts arguing...in the clip, I see Williams say "...the box..." among other things. Then Harper gets out of the box again. At that point all I see is the umpire telling Harper to get back in and I don't see Harper at all in the frame, then the ump rings him.
I have to think Harper said something or did something that the umpire didn't like when he didn't reenter the batter's box.
I have to think Harper said something or did something that the umpire didn't like when he didn't reenter the batter's box.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 8:43 am to sms151t
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But it seems that Harper was tossed for arguing balls and strikes basically. The dugout or the batter can argue those without being tossed, its been that way for years.
Started with the strike call, escalated to a pissing match. Ump used the batter's box as an excuse to ring him, but it seems that everyone involved was showing their tail feathers.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 8:43 am to sicboy
I would also like to see an unedited clip. To me it looks like Bryce complains a little after a bad call, but is in the box ready to go. Someone in the dugout (prob Williams) starts arguing and the ump engages him. Ump tells Bryce to be in the box (even though ump's mask is off and he is arguing w/ dugout still). Bryce is a smartass and does the tip-toe thing, and ump tosses him.
By my count that is three bad acts by the ump and one by Bryce (tip-toe). The ump missed the first call, escalated the situation by engaging w/ the dugout, then tossed Bryce to feel like a big man.
By my count that is three bad acts by the ump and one by Bryce (tip-toe). The ump missed the first call, escalated the situation by engaging w/ the dugout, then tossed Bryce to feel like a big man.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 8:44 am to sicboy
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Watch the same clip? That's exactly what he did. Looked dead at him.
Not in any clip I saw. He took a step back from the plate, turned his head toward the field and then turned it back slightly in the direction of the ump.
It was a pretty strong reaction to a call that early in the game, but everything that followed was mostly because the ump couldn't maintain control.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 8:45 am to MOT
The entire time Matt Williams is arguing on the field he keeps saying "you can't throw him out for being out of the box"
You think he just pulled that out of nowhere?
Hudson told Harper to get into the box, Harper yelled back that he was in the box, then walked over and pointed to where his foot was when Hudson started acting like a child.
If that's worthy of being tossed then frick the MLB.
Of course the ump is going to say it wasn't because he was out of the box, because the rules don't say you can toss him for that and he's trying to minimize his own damage.
You think he just pulled that out of nowhere?
Hudson told Harper to get into the box, Harper yelled back that he was in the box, then walked over and pointed to where his foot was when Hudson started acting like a child.
If that's worthy of being tossed then frick the MLB.
Of course the ump is going to say it wasn't because he was out of the box, because the rules don't say you can toss him for that and he's trying to minimize his own damage.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 8:47 am to hendersonshands
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Hudson told Harper to get into the box, Harper yelled back that he was in the box, then walked over and pointed to where his foot was when Hudson started acting like a child.
So he did show up the ump? So he gets tossed for being an idiot.
If the dugout is arguing balls/strikes the Manager should get run.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 8:47 am to Wayne Campbell
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Not in any clip I saw.
LINK
Video at the top of the page, at the 0:18 mark. I guess you could argue that he possibly could have been looking over the umps shoulder, but he looked his way. And that's typically a no-no, especially in the exasperated manner that Harper did it.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 8:47 am to GumBro Jackson
That's basically it except the argument with the dugout went back to the previous batter and Harper stepped out once before stepping back in. He and the ump were arguing but neither were drawing attention to it.
Then it went to shite when the ump took his mask off to argue with the dugout, Harper stepped back out, did the toe thing, etc.
Then it went to shite when the ump took his mask off to argue with the dugout, Harper stepped back out, did the toe thing, etc.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 8:49 am to sms151t
Showing up the umpire by telling him that he was in the box before the ump stopped the game? Showing him up? Seriously? That's terrible.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 8:49 am to GetCocky11
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a-hole umpires are the worst. I feel bad for the fans. Tickets aren't cheap.
Yet I don't want to pay to see a grown man acting like a punk as well..... Harper was a punk and I am glad he got tossed.... There was no need for him to point at the batters box and ten put his toe into the box... It was an intentional attempt to show up the ump....
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