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Bruce Arians rips spread offense QBs: I don't even consider it quarterbacking
Posted on 2/20/15 at 1:22 am
Posted on 2/20/15 at 1:22 am
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It is a big thing. Arizona Cardinals head coach Bruce Arians colorfully described how much of a transition spread quarterbacks have to make.
"So many times, you're evaluating a quarterback who has never called a play in the huddle, never used a snap count," Arians said. "They hold up a card on the sideline, he kicks his foot and throws the ball. That ain't playing quarterback. There's no leadership involved there. There might be leadership on the bench, but when you get them and they have to use verbiage and they have to spit the verbiage out and change the snap count, they are light years behind."
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Posted on 2/20/15 at 1:26 am to Bench McElroy
He's right. For the most part, the college game is not preparing QBs for the NFL. I think it's part of the reason why there are so few elite QBs right now. With the emphasis most offenses put on QBs, it is making for some terrible football right now.
Posted on 2/20/15 at 1:28 am to Bench McElroy
Can't say he's wrong, really.
Texas Tech QB's were examples of this for years. Now we're seeing more of it with the proliferation of spread offenses.
It's not a bad thing if you're winning on the collegiate level, but you have to take those QB's with a grain of salt, because they're not running a scheme that will translate well to the next level.
Some will pick it up, and some won't.
Texas Tech QB's were examples of this for years. Now we're seeing more of it with the proliferation of spread offenses.
It's not a bad thing if you're winning on the collegiate level, but you have to take those QB's with a grain of salt, because they're not running a scheme that will translate well to the next level.
Some will pick it up, and some won't.
Posted on 2/20/15 at 3:54 am to SwaggerCopter
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I think it's part of the reason why there are so few elite QBs right now.
I agree with your overall sentiment, but this part is a bit misleading. The overall QB play in the last 5 or so years has been better than it has ever been in the history of the league, and IMO there are just as many if not more elite QBs in the league as there has ever been. The problem is that the other 25-27 QBs are compared to the elite guys and they obviously pale in comparison. However, that is to be expected when you're talking about the truly elite QBs.
I think the "problem" is the the lower tier of QBs just seems worse than ever lately, however I'm not sure if that is just a perception problem or if it is a real consequence of the current college game. Honestly, when I think back to any era, there have always been awful QBs, so I tend to believe there isn't any real problem at the moment, but it still blows my mind that when tasked to find the best 32 QBs in the country, the bottom 5-7 are still so damn awful.
Posted on 2/20/15 at 5:04 am to slackster
I think this is going to become more apparent when the current aging generation of very good to elite qbs calls it quits. Maybe we'll have a defensive revival. Or maybe they will continue to tweak the rules until they make the average qbs seem more elite. 
Posted on 2/20/15 at 5:26 am to slackster
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I agree with your overall sentiment, but this part is a bit misleading. The overall QB play in the last 5 or so years has been better than it has ever been in the history of the league, and IMO there are just as many if not more elite QBs in the league as there has ever been. The problem is that the other 25-27 QBs are compared to the elite guys and they obviously pale in comparison. However, that is to be expected when you're talking about the truly elite QBs.
all of the elite guys are old and didnt play in a spread offense.
when brees, manning and brady retire, and rodgers is on his way out, what will the league look like then?
Posted on 2/20/15 at 5:42 am to diat150
quote:Andrew Luck will still be 'the next Manning' at age 35
manning and brady retire, and rodgers is on his way out, what will the league look like then?
Posted on 2/20/15 at 7:51 am to Bench McElroy
It's pretty shocking just how little development NFL franchises actually do... they rely almost 100% on the college system to prepare guys for the pro game...
god forbid Arians fatass and his staff actually take a guy with a QB skillset and teach him the game... what a concept.
god forbid Arians fatass and his staff actually take a guy with a QB skillset and teach him the game... what a concept.
Posted on 2/20/15 at 7:59 am to lowspark12
Arians won 11 games with Drew Stanton and Ryan Lindley starting games for them and has been COY twice in three seasons. I would say whatever he's doing is working just fine
Posted on 2/20/15 at 8:07 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
It won't last unless he can develop a QB...
Posted on 2/20/15 at 8:11 am to Bench McElroy
So he is saying Wilson isn't elite. Jim Rome may never have him on his show again.
Posted on 2/20/15 at 8:12 am to lowspark12
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It's pretty shocking just how little development NFL franchises actually do... they rely almost 100% on the college system to prepare guys for the pro game... god forbid Arians fatass and his staff actually take a guy with a QB skillset and teach him the game... what a concept.
The Cardinals have WAY more coaches than any other team, they almost have as many as they have players, so you obviously don't know WTF you are talking about
Posted on 2/20/15 at 8:13 am to lowspark12
He coached Peyton and Roethlisberger at early points in their NFL careers. He's regarded as one of the better QB coaches in pro football
Posted on 2/20/15 at 8:17 am to SwaggerCopter
quote:You can't have a greater number of elite qbs. You can have a greater number of well-developed qbs. Elite is a relative term. (some might say comparative)
I think it's part of the reason why there are so few elite QBs right now.
Posted on 2/20/15 at 8:24 am to diat150
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all of the elite guys are old and didnt play in a spread offense.
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when brees
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Posted on 2/20/15 at 8:26 am to diat150
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all of the elite guys are old and didnt play in a spread offense.
when brees, manning and brady retire, and rodgers is on his way out, what will the league look like then?
I'm pretty sure brees played in one of the first spread offenses at Purdue.
Posted on 2/20/15 at 8:28 am to Bench McElroy
Pro style offenses prepare a kid better for pro football, but talent is talent. If somebody like Rodgers or Manning played in a spread offense in college I'm still convinced they would have been elite pro QBs. The spread offense just increases the learning curve IMO
Posted on 2/20/15 at 8:29 am to 632627
rodgers also wasn't in a "spread" but the tedford passing system is in large part based in similar concepts and his QBs were seen as robots
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kind of the exact same argument being made by arians
also, to sprinkle more wrinkles, brady played in a super pro-style scheme at UM...only to go to a spread-based system in NE
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kind of the exact same argument being made by arians
also, to sprinkle more wrinkles, brady played in a super pro-style scheme at UM...only to go to a spread-based system in NE
Posted on 2/20/15 at 8:38 am to lsu480
Just bc they've got a bunch of coaches doesn't mean they can develop a decent QB...
the spread offense isn't going anywhere in college... unless Arians and the like change their approach, they're gonna continue to get shite QB play or rely on overpaid veteran QBs with diminishing returns (or in Arizona case both).
the spread offense isn't going anywhere in college... unless Arians and the like change their approach, they're gonna continue to get shite QB play or rely on overpaid veteran QBs with diminishing returns (or in Arizona case both).
Posted on 2/20/15 at 8:56 am to lowspark12
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or rely on overpaid veteran QBs with diminishing returns (or in Arizona case both)
They were undefeated with Palmer and he was having one of the best seasons of his career before he got hurt. They most likely would have made a deep playoff run if he had been healthy. Do you even follow the NFL?
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