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re: Bruce Arians rips spread offense QBs: I don't even consider it quarterbacking
Posted on 2/20/15 at 10:52 am to lowspark12
Posted on 2/20/15 at 10:52 am to lowspark12
Dude, be quiet. You're filling the thread with ignorant.
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Posted on 2/20/15 at 10:59 am to Bench McElroy
NFL Coach with valid experience and a valid opinion on a topic relates to his field, 100% correct..
Posted on 2/20/15 at 11:07 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
also, to sprinkle more wrinkles, brady played in a super pro-style scheme at UM...only to go to a spread-based system in NE
thats what I was coming to say
Brady is essentially a spread QB for the most part these days. So is Brees. Hell, there are shite load of spread concepts in many an NFL offense now.
Posted on 2/20/15 at 11:12 am to Bench McElroy
College football is big business. Coaches are under pressure to win and win now. They are not interested in how a player does in the NFL, they are interested in how they do while playing for him in college. As long as that is the case, that will remain the reason why College QB's take a shite in the NFL. They want robots who regurgitate play calls and do as little thinking as possible.
Posted on 2/20/15 at 11:13 am to Dr RC
What makes a QB a spread QB? Is it the no huddle? Shotgun? Amount of receivers out wide? Something else?
This post was edited on 2/20/15 at 11:14 am
Posted on 2/20/15 at 11:13 am to Dr RC
Those guys have proven they can hang out in the pocket and throw to their third read when their first two aren't open. That's something a lot of college QBs don't learn how to do these days. Manziel, Griffin, Mariota seem like they are one read and run type of QBs, meaning if their first read isn't open, tuck it and run. That doesn't work in the NFL; NFL linebackers are so big and so fast that they will massacre those QBs.
Posted on 2/20/15 at 11:13 am to Bench McElroy
Although I see his point, I think he's going a little overboard. QBs outside a pro system will have to adjust for sure. I'm not arguing that, but talent is talent. Rarely does a player perfectly fit (insert NFL team)'s scheme. That's on the coaches to get him through the adjustment. Good QBs with a good work ethic will make it. Those without will fall down the depth chart.
In summary, nothing has changed. It's just harder for an early round QB to come in and succeed right away. The spread style offense is still growing in usage, so NFL coaches will simply have to work with what they got.
In summary, nothing has changed. It's just harder for an early round QB to come in and succeed right away. The spread style offense is still growing in usage, so NFL coaches will simply have to work with what they got.
Posted on 2/20/15 at 11:14 am to moneyg
quote:
The NE spread offense is a sophisticated passing offense that relies heavily on Brady being able to read defenses both pre-snap and post snap. The WRs run the entire route tree and protections are sophisticated.
The spread offenses in college aren't that way. The protections are simple. The pre-snap reads are much simpler. Read option teams are even further away from a sophistication standpoint in the passing game.
In other words, a QB who plays in a pro style passing offense in college will be more suited to play in a NE type spread offense. A spread QB in college is typically have much more development required to run that offense.
I disagree. A spread Qb has to do more development in the pros b/c while there are now a ton of spread concepts in the NFL, most offenses still don't use it for more than anything other than a few packages.
If the NFL was all spread instead of pro style, the pro style QBs would have jsut as much trouble "catching up" b/c they would be doing things they aren't accustomed to.
Basically, its a reps thing more than anything else.
PS of course everything int he NFL is more complicated. The athletes are better. ALL QBs have to learn how to deal with that.
Posted on 2/20/15 at 11:15 am to boom roasted
quote:This has always been an issue I've had with others when discussing this.
What makes a QB a spread QB? Is it the no huddle? Shotgun? Amount of receivers out wide? Something else?
Spread has nothing to do with the HUNH. They are commonly used together, but they exist just fine without each other.
Spread simply means there are usually a larger # of receivers out wide. Also, it's pretty much ALWAYS run from the shotgun.
Posted on 2/20/15 at 11:16 am to boom roasted
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What makes a QB a spread QB? Is it the no huddle? Shotgun? Amount of receivers out wide? Something else?
linemen splits and how the WRs are placed on the field are the two biggies IMO.
usually there is only one RB in the backfield and you run it from a gun but that doesnt have to be the case.
its really just an offense based on creating open space for playmakers to get hit with short timing routes.
This post was edited on 2/20/15 at 11:18 am
Posted on 2/20/15 at 12:44 pm to lowspark12
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the spread offense isn't going anywhere in college... unless Arians and the like change their approach, they're gonna continue to get shite QB play or rely on overpaid veteran QBs with diminishing returns (or in Arizona case both).
Yeh that ain't happening.
Spread isn't worth a shite in the NFL, the defensive guys are just too damn fast. You have to be able to call plays and change them as well. Or like Arians said "be a leader" and when you never had to think on your feet it's tough to do. It's either have the ability to learn an NFL offense or not be smart enough to do it and sit at the house.
Posted on 2/20/15 at 12:50 pm to HebertFest08
quote:Philadelphia Eagles
Spread isn't worth a shite in the NFL
2013
2nd in yards per game
4th in points per game
2014
5th in yards per game
3rd in points per game
It can be a successful offense in the NFL.
This post was edited on 2/20/15 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 2/20/15 at 1:12 pm to RileyTime
That list looks fine, but let's compare it to 1985:
Joe Montana
Dan Fouts
Dan Marino
John Elway
Boomer Esiason
Dave Krieg
Ken O'Brien
Steve Young
Danny White
Phil Simms
Jim Plunkett
Warren Moon
Joe Theisman
Bernie Kosar
Tommy Kramer
The current crop doesn't appear to be unusually good by comparison.
Joe Montana
Dan Fouts
Dan Marino
John Elway
Boomer Esiason
Dave Krieg
Ken O'Brien
Steve Young
Danny White
Phil Simms
Jim Plunkett
Warren Moon
Joe Theisman
Bernie Kosar
Tommy Kramer
The current crop doesn't appear to be unusually good by comparison.
Posted on 2/20/15 at 1:22 pm to slackster
quote:
The overall QB play in the last 5 or so years has been better than it has ever been in the history of the league
Not true. I understand the numbers look this way, but the fact is that the rules are so skewed to the offense that you have to take all these numbers with a huge grain of salt.
Hell, in today's league, if your QB doesn't complete 60+% of his passes and throw for 3500-4000 yards then your team has real issues.
Posted on 2/20/15 at 1:30 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
between the dual threat era and the spread era, QB position has taken a huge hit, in terms of quality.
for christs sake, take a look at the 2 deep in the NFL. some really bad qb's, and add in several bad qb's who have to start.
Blame High school coaches, who want to win over teaching. Blame college programs who want systems so QB doesnt have to think.
for christs sake, take a look at the 2 deep in the NFL. some really bad qb's, and add in several bad qb's who have to start.
Blame High school coaches, who want to win over teaching. Blame college programs who want systems so QB doesnt have to think.
Posted on 2/20/15 at 1:45 pm to lowspark12
Lol the auburn fan disagrees.
Shocker
Shocker
Posted on 2/20/15 at 3:38 pm to hg
Funny, Bruce Arians just lost to one in the playoffs.
Posted on 2/20/15 at 3:50 pm to Dr RC
quote:I liked this offense better back when it was called the west coast offense.
an offense based on creating open space for playmakers to get hit with short timing routes
Posted on 2/20/15 at 6:59 pm to Bench McElroy
quote:
Bruce Arians
Is this the same guy that Bama fired because a player dropped a ball he had in his hands?
Posted on 2/20/15 at 7:12 pm to beatbammer
The issue is less about the system and more about the tempo. With HUNH, defenses have to stay base and play more man/ read-zone which makes it easier to throw because the coverage is the same on every play. This enables a QB to find the weak link, such as a 250 lb linebacker covering a speedy slot, etc. When the tempo is slowed down, defenses can run their whole play sheet and throw any type of coverage at an offense to confuse a qb. The NFL allows 1 defensive player to have a headset in their helmet to make calls and most cases it's a linebacker who does this. (San Diego with Eric Weddle is the only one I can think of that bucks the trend) Tempo kills your ability to run many defensive packages because calls are hard to get in and the back 7 might not be on the same page which causes blown coverages. When defenses have to be simple, man coverage is what you expect and then it's all about matchups among the personnel on the field.
Just my 2 cents. As a Philadelphia Eagles fan and a defensive coach in high school football, I've realized that it's less about system, and more about how the team executes and how fast they come at you with their attack.
Just my 2 cents. As a Philadelphia Eagles fan and a defensive coach in high school football, I've realized that it's less about system, and more about how the team executes and how fast they come at you with their attack.
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