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re: Bruce Arians rips spread offense QBs: I don't even consider it quarterbacking

Posted on 2/20/15 at 8:59 am to
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
112370 posts
Posted on 2/20/15 at 8:59 am to
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also, to sprinkle more wrinkles, brady played in a super pro-style scheme at UM...only to go to a spread-based system in NE


They didn't go to a spread based system until later in his career
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33794 posts
Posted on 2/20/15 at 9:21 am to
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It's pretty shocking just how little development NFL franchises actually do... they rely almost 100% on the college system to prepare guys for the pro game...


Well, yeah. The college game is supposed to be the primary source of preparation for the NFL.
Posted by RileyTime
Gulf Breeze, FL
Member since Oct 2008
6936 posts
Posted on 2/20/15 at 9:26 am to
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I agree with your overall sentiment, but this part is a bit misleading. The overall QB play in the last 5 or so years has been better than it has ever been in the history of the league


Yeah, I may get burned for this, but I think we have these in the "elite/very good" department:

Brady
Rodgers
Manning
Manning
Brees
Roethisberger
Romo
Ryan
Wilson
Rivers
Stafford

Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 2/20/15 at 9:30 am to
Has to be easier moving from a traditional pro-style system to a spread rather than the opposite.....

Didn't the system Brees play was my of a hybrid compared to what we see today?

Posted by lsu480
Downtown Scottsdale
Member since Oct 2007
92877 posts
Posted on 2/20/15 at 9:35 am to
shite even with Stanton we would have made a run, it wasn't until we had to go to our 4th string QB when shite really fell apart.
This post was edited on 2/20/15 at 9:36 am
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
60223 posts
Posted on 2/20/15 at 9:39 am to
Yup, and every team in the NFL would be fricked if they had to reach that far down the depth chart
Posted by Dawgsontop34
Member since Jun 2014
42686 posts
Posted on 2/20/15 at 9:40 am to
Almost every team in the league is going to struggle with a 3rd or 4th string QB. Hell, most of them struggle when a back-up QB is in the game. Player development is obviously important, but you can't develop someone who doesn't have the talent. Ryan Lindley is never going to be a good QB in the NFL. Logan Thomas was a 5th or 6th round rookie. The fact that Arizona was even close in their last few games speaks to how good of a coach Arians is.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 2/20/15 at 9:46 am to
They should draft Bryan Bennett or Sean Mannion
Posted by piggilicious
Member since Jan 2011
37299 posts
Posted on 2/20/15 at 9:48 am to
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They hold up a card on the sideline, he kicks his foot and throws the ball. That ain't playing quarterback.


Hmm sounds familiar - who does that?
Posted by boom roasted
Member since Sep 2010
28039 posts
Posted on 2/20/15 at 9:53 am to
Take out Eli and Stafford, put in Luck.
Posted by lsu480
Downtown Scottsdale
Member since Oct 2007
92877 posts
Posted on 2/20/15 at 9:53 am to
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Almost every team in the league is going to struggle with a 3rd or 4th string QB


Almost? I don't think any team in this years playoffs could have won a game with their 2nd string QB, much less made a serious run. MAYBE the Pats could have won a game but that is about it. When you get to 3rd-4th string QBs nobody is winning shite.
Posted by bags03
Scottsdale, Arizona
Member since May 2004
3023 posts
Posted on 2/20/15 at 9:54 am to
But he considers what Logan Thomas does quarterbacking?
Posted by RileyTime
Gulf Breeze, FL
Member since Oct 2008
6936 posts
Posted on 2/20/15 at 9:55 am to
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put in Luck


DOH! Knew I forgot someone.
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
57826 posts
Posted on 2/20/15 at 10:00 am to
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Arians won 11 games with Drew Stanton and Ryan Lindley starting games for them and has been COY twice in three seasons. I would say whatever he's doing is working just fine


And he also drafted Logan fricking Thomas over Mett and a host of other QB's
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
158781 posts
Posted on 2/20/15 at 10:14 am to
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It's pretty shocking just how little development NFL franchises actually do... they rely almost 100% on the college system to prepare guys for the pro game...

god forbid Arians fatass and his staff actually take a guy with a QB skillset and teach him the game... what a concept.


you seem to be awfully defensive about this....
Posted by Grit-Eating Shin
You're an Idiot
Member since May 2013
8435 posts
Posted on 2/20/15 at 10:28 am to
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you seem to be awfully defensive about this....
Kind of ironic. The aubie is defensive, yet his golden boy is a somewhat successful NFL QB. The aggie is making the case, and his golden boy has been an unmitigated disaster in the league (so far).
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
60223 posts
Posted on 2/20/15 at 10:31 am to
There like three of us in here making the case

All I care about is A&M winning games, I don't care what system we use to do it. There is definitely a segment of our fanbase that wishes we ran a pro style type offense though
Posted by Dawgsontop34
Member since Jun 2014
42686 posts
Posted on 2/20/15 at 10:36 am to
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Almost? I don't think any team in this years playoffs could have won a game with their 2nd string QB, much less made a serious run. MAYBE the Pats could have won a game but that is about it. When you get to 3rd-4th string QBs nobody is winning shite.


I was going to say every team in the league, but then I remembered that Colt McCoy was 3rd string, and he beat a Dallas team that made the playoffs so I changed it to almost every team.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56695 posts
Posted on 2/20/15 at 10:37 am to
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It's pretty shocking just how little development NFL franchises actually do... they rely almost 100% on the college system to prepare guys for the pro game...

Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56695 posts
Posted on 2/20/15 at 10:44 am to
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also, to sprinkle more wrinkles, brady played in a super pro-style scheme at UM...only to go to a spread-based system in NE



I think this comment is missing the point.

The NE spread offense is a sophisticated passing offense that relies heavily on Brady being able to read defenses both pre-snap and post snap. The WRs run the entire route tree and protections are sophisticated.

The spread offenses in college aren't that way. The protections are simple. The pre-snap reads are much simpler. Read option teams are even further away from a sophistication standpoint in the passing game.

In other words, a QB who plays in a pro style passing offense in college will be more suited to play in a NE type spread offense. A spread QB in college is typically have much more development required to run that offense.
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