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Posted on 3/22/09 at 7:45 pm to Keys Open Doors
There isnt a legit draft database online that wont tell you the exact same thing about Griffin.
Also, when you start your argument with, "he isnt that explosive", it invalidates whatever you say next because explosiveness is the best part of his game.
Also, when you start your argument with, "he isnt that explosive", it invalidates whatever you say next because explosiveness is the best part of his game.
Posted on 3/22/09 at 7:50 pm to Keys Open Doors
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Keep in mind, I still think that Blake Griffin is going to be a very good player in the league, just not at the same level as Al Jefferson, Chris Bosh, or Dwight Howard.
:kige:
shake the haters off keys
Posted on 3/22/09 at 7:56 pm to TulaneTigerFan
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He is a better version of Shelden Williams, but nothing more.
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If you like watching college basketball highlights, watch what Drew Gooden did in college. He is probably more athletic than Griffin and just as highly regarded. I'm not saying that Griffin is going to be some huge bust at the next level, but he will probably follow a similar career trajectory.
Now...
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Keep in mind, I still think that Blake Griffin is going to be a very good player in the league
Thats all
Posted on 3/22/09 at 7:58 pm to eyeran
He's a very good college player, and this is weak draft. The same good things were said about Kenyon Martin, Drew Gooden, Stromile Swift, Tyson Chandler, Eddy Curry, Eddie Griffin, Chris Bosh, Al Jefferson, Dwight Howard, Emeka Okafor, Tyrus Thomas, LaMarcus Aldridge, Greg Oden, Al Horford, and Marcus Fizer.
All of those guys have had varying levels of success in the NBA. Griffin's biggest attributes are his emotional maturity, dedication to improving his game, and rebounding. He has also really improved his post-up moves over the past season. However, I don't see freak athleticism or inexplicable talent. I see a disciplined player, with very good coordination for his size, who is able to dominate less talented and undersized opposition.
If he was able to do the same stuff against UConn, Pitt, and Louisville, then I would be very impressed, but he hasn't had the opportunity yet. Also, keep in mind that the only reason why he stayed in school was because guys like Beasley, Kevin Love, Anthony Randolph (all of whom are the same age) were rated higher than him by scouts.
All of those guys have had varying levels of success in the NBA. Griffin's biggest attributes are his emotional maturity, dedication to improving his game, and rebounding. He has also really improved his post-up moves over the past season. However, I don't see freak athleticism or inexplicable talent. I see a disciplined player, with very good coordination for his size, who is able to dominate less talented and undersized opposition.
If he was able to do the same stuff against UConn, Pitt, and Louisville, then I would be very impressed, but he hasn't had the opportunity yet. Also, keep in mind that the only reason why he stayed in school was because guys like Beasley, Kevin Love, Anthony Randolph (all of whom are the same age) were rated higher than him by scouts.
Posted on 3/22/09 at 8:04 pm to eyeran
I have said all along that he will be a 13/8 type player like Gooden. He won't be a 12-time All-Star, but he will be a solid contributor in the league.
Drew Gooden has been one of the top 15-20 American-born big men in drafted in the league since 2000. Blake Griffin will fit the same description, and that is nothing to be embarrassed about. 20/10 NBA Power Forwards don't grow on trees.
Drew Gooden has been one of the top 15-20 American-born big men in drafted in the league since 2000. Blake Griffin will fit the same description, and that is nothing to be embarrassed about. 20/10 NBA Power Forwards don't grow on trees.
Posted on 3/22/09 at 8:06 pm to Keys Open Doors
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If he was able to do the same stuff against UConn, Pitt, and Louisville, then I would be very impressed,
i dont see why he couldnt.
you act like anyone can shite out 22/14 per game
Durant and Beasley dominated the same conference and were top picks
Derrick Rose played in shitty CUSA
it doesn't matter where u come from. Its easy to spot a talent like him.
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Also, keep in mind that the only reason why he stayed in school was because guys like Beasley, Kevin Love, Anthony Randolph (all of whom are the same age) were rated higher than him by scouts.
meh, i doubt that had much to do with it. He needed another season to hone his game. i remember looking at mock drafts after last season and he was already being tabbed a top 3 pick before this season even started.
and randolph was picked 14. Griffin would have went top 10 last year
Posted on 3/22/09 at 8:17 pm to Lester Earl
Well, at least I am not getting messages encouraging suicide.
Take a look at the rebounding numbers Durant and Beasley put up in their first year in the Big 12. Neither of them have gotten even half that number in the NBA. Now Griffin won't have as many problems in that regard because of his bulk, but he does not have a complete game.
As undisciplined as Beasley is, he is a very good outside shooter both in college and in the NBA. Blake Griffin relies on posting up smaller players and some transition play. He doesn't have the size to continue doing that at such a prolific rate at the next level, and his outside game is pretty dismal.
Take a look at the rebounding numbers Durant and Beasley put up in their first year in the Big 12. Neither of them have gotten even half that number in the NBA. Now Griffin won't have as many problems in that regard because of his bulk, but he does not have a complete game.
As undisciplined as Beasley is, he is a very good outside shooter both in college and in the NBA. Blake Griffin relies on posting up smaller players and some transition play. He doesn't have the size to continue doing that at such a prolific rate at the next level, and his outside game is pretty dismal.
Posted on 3/22/09 at 8:24 pm to Keys Open Doors
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As undisciplined as Beasley is, he is a very good outside shooter both in college and in the NBA. Blake Griffin relies on posting up smaller players and some transition play. He doesn't have the size to continue doing that at such a prolific rate at the next level, and his outside game is pretty dismal.
The only reason some see this as a knock on Griffin is because of 7 ft guys like Dirk who came in the league shooting 3's.
There's nothing wrong with a traditional PF that plays with his back to the basket. Also keep in mind that he's only 2 years out of high school so he has time to develop a mid range game
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Posted on 3/22/09 at 8:38 pm to Keys Open Doors
of course their rebounding numbers are gonna go down
but beasley is only getting like 25 mins a game. He'll be a 9/10 rebound guy within 2 years
Durant can prob max out at like 8RPG.
im not saying he'll avg 22/14 in the NBA
but beasley is only getting like 25 mins a game. He'll be a 9/10 rebound guy within 2 years
Durant can prob max out at like 8RPG.
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He doesn't have the size to continue doing that at such a prolific rate at the next level, and his outside game is pretty dismal.
im not saying he'll avg 22/14 in the NBA
Posted on 3/23/09 at 12:23 am to Keys Open Doors
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You can find clips that make just about any talented player look like an All-NBA superstar or a future Pro Bowler. That's why every year, you have people ready to proclaim Noel Devine or Joe McKnight as the next Barry Sanders. It's the same with basketball. Wasn't Gerald Green supposed to become a perennial All-Star? Take a look at this Rivals Top 5 player that hasn't done a thing in the NBA yet. He certainly looks like a promising player in that clip
those video clips speak nothing to griffin's ability as a basketball player. they do disprove you and whatever other dumbass that said griffin isnt explosive or athletic though.
gerald green was highly regarded because of his athleticism, which led to him having a high ceiling, and being ranked the #1 player in his class. he has not developed into a basketball player yet, thats why he hasnt done anything in the nba. he is still a very explosive athlete. thats what your video of him proves.
Posted on 3/23/09 at 12:41 am to Keys Open Doors
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As undisciplined as Beasley is, he is a very good outside shooter both in college and in the NBA. Blake Griffin relies on posting up smaller players and some transition play. He doesn't have the size to continue doing that at such a prolific rate at the next level, and his outside game is pretty dismal.
You dont have to have tons of range as a power forward. His mid range game will get better.
I'm guessing he is roughly the same size as Elton Brand and Carlos Boozer, and those guys are MUCH better than 13/8 guys.
And Griffin, I think, has a more polished post game than both of them did in college. Griffin's footwork and moves in the post are pretty sick.
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