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re: Baseball pitching - How is a Win determined?
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:33 pm to MasterBetty
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:33 pm to MasterBetty
I read it wrong bud, I apologize.
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:34 pm to MasterBetty
someone asked and I answered the question. then there was confusion about what the original question was so I was clarifying.
your post about blown save and wins is correct
your post about blown save and wins is correct
This post was edited on 4/14/14 at 10:35 pm
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:35 pm to TH03
We all know the rules, yet we're all confused. Sorry!
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:37 pm to The Seaward
Wins are still relevant since all pitchers play with the same rules.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:39 pm to MasterBetty
I agree that W-L's aren't as important as ERA, but they are especially deceptive with relievers.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:41 pm to MasterBetty
correct statement 
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:47 pm to sicboy
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Baseball pitching - How is a Win determined?
Who would they give the win to?
He was the pitcher of record when the game ended.
Pitcher of record when team went ahead for last time
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:48 pm to choupiquesushi
What I meant. Was watching TV when I posted that
Posted on 4/14/14 at 11:02 pm to jose canseco
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Wins are still relevant since all pitchers play with the same rules.
They don't all play with the same run support, defense and bullpens though. It is a terrible metric to judge starting pitchers, and I am sure no front offices even look at it when evaluating pitchers. In 2012, Cliff Lee made 30 starts with a 3.16 ERA and 7.5/1 K:B and had a 6-9 record.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 12:04 am to jose canseco
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Wins are still relevant since all pitchers play with the same rules.
Whip, ERA and BAA are all much more important than W-L records IMO
This post was edited on 4/15/14 at 12:05 am
Posted on 4/15/14 at 12:07 am to beaver
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it's not a blown save, it was the 8th
You can get a blown save in the 8th.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 6:08 am to BayouBengals03
Pitcher has to at least go 5.0 innings in order to be credited a win. Go if a pitcher leaves the game in the 4th inning up 12-0. The pitcher who pitches the 5th inning or the official scorer decides who's the most effective would get the win.
Also, a blown save has to be within 3 runs from the 9th inning of later.
Also, a blown save has to be within 3 runs from the 9th inning of later.
This post was edited on 4/15/14 at 6:10 am
Posted on 4/15/14 at 6:31 am to tzimme4
It goes both ways. I recall a game quite a few years ago for the braves. I think steve avery was pitching but maybe denny nagel. Anyways he was hit by a line drive by the first batter and had to leave the game. Of course that runner scores later that inning and the starting pitcher ended up with the loss.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 6:40 am to C
A pitcher could pitch into the 8th inning with 2 outs tied 0-0 and allow the bases to be loaded then a relief pitch could come in get 1 K and that RP would be in line for the win. Not the starting pitcher.
Since the relief pitcher allowed the game to be tied. The starting pitcher ends up with a "no decision" in the case of the OP.
In fantasy baseball, it's a double edge sword if your closer gets a "blown save" but still gets the win. ERA will suck but you still managed to get something positive from it.
Since the relief pitcher allowed the game to be tied. The starting pitcher ends up with a "no decision" in the case of the OP.
In fantasy baseball, it's a double edge sword if your closer gets a "blown save" but still gets the win. ERA will suck but you still managed to get something positive from it.
This post was edited on 4/15/14 at 6:45 am
Posted on 4/15/14 at 7:04 am to tzimme4
Quality starts tell you more than wins imo.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 7:23 am to jose canseco
quote:it might make it fair but that doesn't make it relevant. Our desire to declare a winner and a loser to everything makes it relevant.
Wins are still relevant since all pitchers play with the same rules.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 7:48 am to LosLobos111
Jorge De La Rosa had 16 wins last season, same as Kershaw. De La Rosa may be the worst starting pitcher on the Rockies staff so far this year.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 8:42 am to gotiger
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Braves hit Grand Slam in 9th
Posted on 4/15/14 at 8:45 am to LosLobos111
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Quality starts tell you more than wins imo.
Yeah a little, but not that much more. The minimum threshold for a QS is not exactly a good outing for a lot of pitchers.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 8:55 am to gotiger
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I understand that, but Avilan under no circumstances deserves or should be given a W for that performance. A rules a rule, but just dumb and not logical in this case
That's not the entire rule. The scorer could have given the win to Carpenter if they wanted to, instead of Avilan, but probably didn't because Carpenter got the Save.
Rule 10.17(c)
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(c) The official scorer shall not credit as the winning pitcher a relief pitcher who is ineffective in a brief appearance, when at least one succeeding relief pitcher pitches effectively in helping his team maintain its lead. In such a case, the official scorer shall credit as the winning pitcher the succeeding relief pitcher who was most effective, in the judgment of the official scorer.
Problem was, in this case, the only succeeding RP got the save, and you can't get a save AND a win. I honestly don't know if they can choose to give Carpenter the W rather than the SV in this case.
ETA: I remember sometime in the last few years a reliever getting shelled, then their team taking the lead back and ending up holding on to it, and the scorer gave a subsequent reliever the W for throwing a few scoreless innings.
This post was edited on 4/15/14 at 8:58 am
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