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re: Baseball pitching - How is a Win determined?
Posted on 4/15/14 at 9:17 am to gotiger
Posted on 4/15/14 at 9:17 am to gotiger
I've had this conversation with myself many times. The "won't get the loss if player B comes in and gives up the losing run" argument makes sense and should shut me up, but like the OP said, it does instinctively feel fricked up that he wouldn't get the win. Arguing all the facts and angles in your head kind of turns to a chicken/egg argument.
And YES, this is why wins for pitchers is a shite stat.
And YES, this is why wins for pitchers is a shite stat.
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Posted on 4/15/14 at 9:20 am to tigerpimpbot
Just saw that on deadspin.
The homers that silence the home crowd are the best.
The homers that silence the home crowd are the best.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 9:21 am to sicboy
Especially philly fan.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 12:26 pm to tigerpimpbot
that gif is awesome!
Posted on 4/15/14 at 12:31 pm to gotiger
I was once playing my buddy in fantasy baseball. Justin Verlander (on his team) pitched a gem. Jose Valverde (on my team) blew the save and got the win. So perfect.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 12:32 pm to gotiger
Instead of wins, they should have some stat that keeps track of if you had a lead when you left the game (including any extra runs charged to you before the inning ends).
Posted on 4/15/14 at 12:57 pm to TH03
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true, but you cannot pitch yourself into a save situation.
What if the reliever is in the top of the 9th inning of a 10-1 game and gives up 7 runs? That's pitching yourself into a save situation.
This post was edited on 4/15/14 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:01 pm to Goldrush25
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What if the reliever is in the top of the 9th inning of a 10-1 game and gives up 7 runs? That's pitching yourself into a save situation.
No, that's pitching the next guy into a save situation.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:10 pm to beaver
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it's not a blown save, it was the 8th...
You can blow a save in the 8th or 9th. But since they were up by 4 when he came in, it's not a blown save.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:11 pm to Goldrush25
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What if the reliever is in the top of the 9th inning of a 10-1 game and gives up 7 runs? That's pitching yourself into a save situation.
No. You have to enter a game being up by 3 or less to be in a save situation.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:15 pm to Weagle25
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You can blow a save in the 8th or 9th.
Or 1st, or 2nd, etc...
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:16 pm to gotiger
this is why Darvish should've won the Cy Young. Scherzer is great, but the wins we're incredibly overrated. Darvish lost 2 maybe 3 games last year 1-0
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:29 pm to WinnPtiger
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this is why Darvish should've won the Cy Young. Scherzer is great, but the wins we're incredibly overrated. Darvish lost 2 maybe 3 games last year 1-0
If you're saying that, then you have to give it to Iwakuma... more IP, lower ERA, and lower WHIP than Darvish last season.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 2:17 pm to WinnPtiger
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this is why Darvish should've won the Cy Young. Scherzer is great, but the wins we're incredibly overrated.
While true that the wins are overrated, Scherzer had plenty of advanced metrics that stood toe-to-toe with Darvish and anybody else.
Iwakuma had a hell of a season too, but his ERA+ was worse than Scherzer and Darvish, while logging significantly less strikeouts than both. And we all love us some strikeouts (especially when other things are relatively equal)
Side note - I just looked up the voting last year and was pretty surprised that none of the top 3 AL Cy Young vote getters even threw a Complete Game. Before that, you had to go back to 2008 to find any top 3 vote getter without a CG and that was only because a reliever finished 3rd (Francisco Rodriguez)
This post was edited on 4/15/14 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 4/15/14 at 2:27 pm to MasterBetty
Define pitching yourself into a save situation? You can toss the final 3 innings and get the save based loosely on being effective(did your team win)
This post was edited on 4/15/14 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 4/15/14 at 2:28 pm to LSUsmartass
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Define pitching yourself into a save situation?
It's a lot like dividing by zero.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 2:40 pm to The Seaward
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Prime example of why pitcher wins are basically a useless stat to evaluate individual pitchers.
It's great that people can understand this in baseball. Now if only they could understand that the same applies to QBs in football...
Posted on 4/15/14 at 5:45 pm to Jcorye1
It wouldn't be pitching your way into a save. The braves reliever that gave up the jack came in wit the bases loaded and no outs with a 5-1 score. That is most definitely a save situation. The score could have been 6-1 and it still would have been a save situation for that braves pitcher.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 8:25 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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It wouldn't be pitching your way into a save. The braves reliever that gave up the jack came in wit the bases loaded and no outs with a 5-1 score. That is most definitely a save situation
Actually Avilan started the inning and loaded the bases himself. It was not a save situation
Posted on 4/16/14 at 6:02 am to Michael J Cocks
Daniel Webb of the White Sox threw ONE pitch last night and got the W. I love baseball!
This post was edited on 4/16/14 at 6:03 am
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