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re: Alabama vs. Browns simulation
Posted on 12/8/16 at 12:01 am to PrimeTime Money
Posted on 12/8/16 at 12:01 am to PrimeTime Money
Think of it like a totally different sport that relies less on depth and physical strength. Even with that crappy analogy it doesn't work. Even in basketball where it is easier to fill depth a college team would have a bunch of players who will never be able to compete in the pros vs a full squad of established NBA players. Even then all those players weren't the same at 18 as they are now. People don't come out of the womb with all the same ability as they have in their prime.
This post was edited on 12/8/16 at 12:03 am
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Posted on 12/8/16 at 12:07 am to PrimeTime Money
Using a DT many believed to shoul have won the Heisman and one of the most talented defensive prospects of the last decade doesn't help your cause. For every Suh, there's five Busts at the position. Yeah I made that up but you get the point.
Assuming true, it would be based off potential and likely wouldn't see a down till their bodies have developed. Many Junior and Senior Alabama players don't see significant time as already mentioned in this thread.
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If there was a 1 and done rule like in basketball, many Alabama players would be in the NFL right now.
Assuming true, it would be based off potential and likely wouldn't see a down till their bodies have developed. Many Junior and Senior Alabama players don't see significant time as already mentioned in this thread.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 1:41 am to miamitiger
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SEC refs
Posted on 12/8/16 at 4:53 am to VolInBavaria
Alabama is a great college FB team with probably 20 players who will play in the NFL on the roster right now.
Cleveland is a terrible NFL team with 53 NFL players on the roster right now.
This is silly.
Cleveland is a terrible NFL team with 53 NFL players on the roster right now.
This is silly.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 5:49 am to PairofDucks
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when Bama fans thought they could beat Jacksonville
Whoa, slow down there honky. This Bama fan knows damn well any NFL team would beat the hell out of Bama. As a matter of fact you could assemble the best 53 NCAA players and they would still get crushed by Cleveland. This is such a silky topic and I wish it would just die.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 7:49 am to Peazey
quote:You're right, it's not the same. In basketball those guys only stay for one year. In football they have to stay for 3.
Think of it like a totally different sport that relies less on depth and physical strength. Even with that crappy analogy it doesn't work. Even in basketball where it is easier to fill depth a college team would have a bunch of players who will never be able to compete in the pros vs a full squad of established NBA players. Even then all those players weren't the same at 18 as they are now. People don't come out of the womb with all the same ability as they have in their prime.
Answer me this... do you think that Kebtucky team could compete with the Philadelphia 76ers?
Posted on 12/8/16 at 11:45 am to PrimeTime Money
No. That team even with the players AT THEIR CURRENT AGE AND SKILL LEVEL would still not beat the 76ers except for the 1 game out of 20 where Davis would score 70.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 12:46 pm to PrimeTime Money
quote:Not even close. And unlike football, there is more variability from game to game (see NBA Finals blowouts by each team). Even then, the talent disparity in major professional sports and their college counterparts is huge.
Answer me this... do you think that Kebtucky team could compete with the Philadelphia 76ers?
Posted on 12/8/16 at 12:54 pm to buckeye_vol
For one game, a college hoops team could get scorching hot from 3 and compete. The NFL doesn't have a talent equalizer like the 3pt line. The college team would have to match the NFL team physically, and that just isn't going to happen
Posted on 12/8/16 at 2:52 pm to VolInBavaria
You know how Alabama can quietly dispose the Middle Tennessees of the world 38.10 after laying a beatdown on an SEC team the week before?
That's what the Browns would do. Win some game v. Alabama 47.13 without it ever feeling that remotely close.
That's what the Browns would do. Win some game v. Alabama 47.13 without it ever feeling that remotely close.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 8:47 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:You don't know basketball if you think that. Most of the 76ers are very young players anyway. Many of them aren't even good young players and/or guys barely in the league.
Not even close. And unlike football, there is more variability from game to game (see NBA Finals blowouts by each team). Even then, the talent disparity in major professional sports and their college counterparts is huge.
Rookie Anthony Davis would be better than anybody they have on their team.
I know this may shock you, but rookies come into the NBA and play very well all the time. Many rookies come in the league and are better than many players in the league on day 1.
You got guys playing over in Europe who aren't good enough to make the NBA who can compete against NBA teams with their European team and make it interesting. You have European guys being plucked out of Europe and doing well in the NBA like Patrick Beverley. There are other skilled guys over there like Pooh Jeter.
You put professional leagues like the NBA on a pedestal and don't give people not in the league enough credit.
Kentucky would get thoroughly dominated by teams like the Cavs and Warriors... but they can compete against the 76ers. I'm not saying they would beat them regularly, but they could be mostly competitive.
This post was edited on 12/8/16 at 8:53 pm
Posted on 12/8/16 at 9:13 pm to VolInBavaria
Only read the first page, but i had a good laugh at all the idiots making serious posts to a troll video. Not realizing they were making complete idiots of themselves while trying to give legit clever responses. 
Posted on 12/8/16 at 9:17 pm to PrimeTime Money
quote:Ok let's look at that roster. Embiid, Noel, Bayless, Okafor, Stauskas, Simmons, and Henderson were all great college players and drafted in the first round.
You don't know basketball if you think that. Most of the 76ers are very young players anyway. Many of them aren't even good young players and/or guys barely in the league.
Saric, Rodriquez, and Luwawu-Cabarrot were all euro players drafted in the first round, and Ilyasova was a foreign player drafted in the second round.
This leaves Grant (12 PPG at Syracuse; 2nd round pick), McConnell (First team All Pac-12 at AZ; undrafted), Covington (17.8 PPG at Tenn. St.; undrafted), and Thompson (12.8 PPG at Georgetown; undrafted).
So Kentucky is going to beat a team with 8 LOTTERY picks, 7 of which were college stars, 2 other first-round picks, and one of the worst players was First Team All Pac-12?
And I'm the one that doesn't know basketball?
Posted on 12/8/16 at 9:25 pm to PrimeTime Money
quote:Again even the worst players on the team were great college players, and their best players were DOMINANT college players. Not to mention, they have a few years of development under their belt.
Kentucky would get thoroughly dominated by teams like the Cavs and Warriors... but they can compete against the 76ers. I'm not saying they would beat them regularly, but they could be mostly competitive.
And you mentioned Anthony Davis. As a rookie (a great one) he averaged 13.5 points, 8.2 rebounds, 1.8 blocks, 1.2 steals, and 1.0 assists with a PER of 21.7.
NOW, he's averaging 31.6 points, 11.5 rebounds, 2.8 blocks, 1.8 assists, and 2.2 assists with a PER of 38.0.
He's so much better than even his rookie season, let alone an ever less developed college player, AND his team still has one of the worst records WITH other NBA quality players.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 9:54 pm to buckeye_vol
Could 2012 Kentucky who finished 38-2 compete against a team of the best college players?
The answer is yes.
You could have assembled a team of the best college players to play Kentucky and it would have been a competitive game.
It's not much different with the 76ers. Embiid is essentially a rookie, Noel is only a 2nd year player and isn't much better than he was as a rookie, Okafor is a 2nd year player, Stauskas is a 2nd year player, Ben Simmons is a rookie, Grant is a rookie, McConnell is an undrafted rookie, Covington is a 3rd year player who was undrafted and played in the D-League, Hollis Thompson is an undrafted 3rd year player, etc.
This isn't a team of veterans. It's a team of first and second year players. It's essentially a college all-star starting 5 with some other random decent college players thrown in. To act like these 76ers players (who are only a year or two older than freshman college players) are on a different planet in terms of skill level simply because they play in the NBA is a silly argument.
And as for Anthony Davis as a rookie, he wasn't given the keys to the team as a rookie. He could very well have put up much better numbers if he was given the keys to the team as a rookie.
And I'm not saying Kentucky would win. I'm saying they would be fairly competitive.
The answer is yes.
You could have assembled a team of the best college players to play Kentucky and it would have been a competitive game.
It's not much different with the 76ers. Embiid is essentially a rookie, Noel is only a 2nd year player and isn't much better than he was as a rookie, Okafor is a 2nd year player, Stauskas is a 2nd year player, Ben Simmons is a rookie, Grant is a rookie, McConnell is an undrafted rookie, Covington is a 3rd year player who was undrafted and played in the D-League, Hollis Thompson is an undrafted 3rd year player, etc.
This isn't a team of veterans. It's a team of first and second year players. It's essentially a college all-star starting 5 with some other random decent college players thrown in. To act like these 76ers players (who are only a year or two older than freshman college players) are on a different planet in terms of skill level simply because they play in the NBA is a silly argument.
And as for Anthony Davis as a rookie, he wasn't given the keys to the team as a rookie. He could very well have put up much better numbers if he was given the keys to the team as a rookie.
And I'm not saying Kentucky would win. I'm saying they would be fairly competitive.
This post was edited on 12/8/16 at 9:56 pm
Posted on 12/8/16 at 10:18 pm to VolInBavaria
This is dumb as shite! A coach who couldn't win with NFL players is going to take a college team and win?? Gfy
Posted on 12/8/16 at 10:31 pm to PrimeTime Money
quote:Not only would it be a team of the best college players, but many of them would be a few years removed from college with much more development.
Could 2012 Kentucky who finished 38-2 compete against a team of the best college players?
quote:No but many are a couple years removed from college.
This isn't a team of veterans.
quote:And he was a star at KENTUCKY.
Noel is only a 2nd year player and isn't much better than he was as a rookie
quote:And a star at Duke, winning a national championship.
Okafor is a 2nd year player
quote:And he was a star at Michigan as the advanced to the National Championship.
Stauskas is a 2nd year player
quote:It's an all-star team with some of the BEST college players across a couple of years. Plus some veterans like Bayless and Henderson who were also STARS in college.
It's essentially a college all-star starting 5 with some other random decent college players thrown in.
quote:They are better because they were the best players in college, with a year or two of extra development that only helps. In other words, the 76ers have 7 or 8 players who would have been among the best, or the best, players on any of those Kentucky teams (Davis and Towns aside).
are on a different planet in terms of skill level simply because they play in the NBA is a silly argument.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 11:47 pm to VolInBavaria
Alabama has about half an NFL team and it would be young and inexperienced.
If you took the Alabama players in the league from the last 4 years it would probably be about half a team, same deal.
They don't have NFL QBs so even if they had enough players them competing is a nonstarter.
It would be like a low level SEC team playing them. They'd have a handful of guys that could start for the NFL team but that's it. That is how somebody like MSU or Arky usually is against Alabama but they are closer to Alabama than Alabama is to the NFL.
If you took the Alabama players in the league from the last 4 years it would probably be about half a team, same deal.
They don't have NFL QBs so even if they had enough players them competing is a nonstarter.
It would be like a low level SEC team playing them. They'd have a handful of guys that could start for the NFL team but that's it. That is how somebody like MSU or Arky usually is against Alabama but they are closer to Alabama than Alabama is to the NFL.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 4:14 am to buckeye_vol
Basketball isn't even remotely comparable to football when considering college v. professional. A college bball team could conceivably beat an NBA team. If you are allowed to compare college teams from the 80's/90's with some of the worst NBA teams from the last 10 years, I think you could definitely find some competitive games.
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