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Posted on 10/17/17 at 2:01 pm to PeteRose
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Rogers great QB but princess mentality. If case Keenum clavicle was broken, with Rodgers Bring up this rule?
Or Cam Newton?
Posted on 10/17/17 at 2:02 pm to DelU249
While I still watch it, I do agree that it's more watered down than it used to be.
I miss the days of Brian Dawkins fricking up people's worlds.
I wonder hypothetically how many players' careers have been drastically lessened because of reduced physicality.
I miss the days of Brian Dawkins fricking up people's worlds.
I wonder hypothetically how many players' careers have been drastically lessened because of reduced physicality.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 2:02 pm to Chucktown_Badger
quote:I don't think so.
I think you're missing the point of the thread.
Injuries are a part of the game.
Rules are in place to regulate play and mitigate injuries. Within the rules, injuries still happen.
Players on both sides do whatever they can within the rules to give their team an advantage.
Hitting the QB within the rules is allowed and even coached up.
Instituting further protections to the most protected position on the field is a BAD idea.
Aaron Rodgers gets paid a lot of money to play the QB position. He knows what he's getting into every time he steps on the field. Sometimes play within the rules favors him (sliding, hard count, etc.), sometimes it doesn't.
That's football - at least the version of the game I like to watch.
This post was edited on 10/17/17 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 10/17/17 at 2:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
The tackle on Rodgers wasn't illegal, and it shouldn't be.
That being said, it would be to the benefit to everyone in the league if they didn't tackle qbs like that, which i know sometimes can be difficult to avoid with bigger guys like Cam and Ben. Guys like Rodgers/Brees/Brady/Rivers/Eli, they basically go down if they know you are about to hit them. Knowing they are like that, play smarter and don't try to kill them.
No different than this hit on Gronk. It's not illegal, and it's the best way for a smaller guy to tackle him, and likely the only way for a guy like Gronk, but it woudl be in the best interest of the league if tackles like this weren't made.
It is football though, and shite happens. I know there are a few shitheads out there that go in with the intention of hurting someone, but for the most part, i think the vast majority of players do not want to see guys go down, even if it means its more likely their team wins.
That being said, it would be to the benefit to everyone in the league if they didn't tackle qbs like that, which i know sometimes can be difficult to avoid with bigger guys like Cam and Ben. Guys like Rodgers/Brees/Brady/Rivers/Eli, they basically go down if they know you are about to hit them. Knowing they are like that, play smarter and don't try to kill them.
No different than this hit on Gronk. It's not illegal, and it's the best way for a smaller guy to tackle him, and likely the only way for a guy like Gronk, but it woudl be in the best interest of the league if tackles like this weren't made.
It is football though, and shite happens. I know there are a few shitheads out there that go in with the intention of hurting someone, but for the most part, i think the vast majority of players do not want to see guys go down, even if it means its more likely their team wins.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 2:06 pm to caliegeaux
With the huge importance for the league and teams in high level QBs and the contracts heading above 30million a year soon, I imagine they will continue to put in rules to protect these investments.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 2:07 pm to Helo
I expect them to do that as well but that’s because I have a really low opinion of their critical thinking skills.
This post was edited on 10/17/17 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 10/17/17 at 2:19 pm to DelU249
Rodgers is a quarterback who thrives off of making plays outside the pocket.
How many fans here of the NFL have grown up believing every snap the defense is playing kill the man with the ball?
Isn't the whole purpose of defense meant to frighten the offense to death of wanting to touch the ball? Isn't fear of being hurt a part of the game?
How many fans here of the NFL have grown up believing every snap the defense is playing kill the man with the ball?
Isn't the whole purpose of defense meant to frighten the offense to death of wanting to touch the ball? Isn't fear of being hurt a part of the game?
Posted on 10/17/17 at 2:22 pm to RLDSC FAN
quote:
It's an interesting discussion to have
No it’s really not... unless you’re a lawyer or an ex QB who ran out of money
Posted on 10/17/17 at 2:28 pm to RLDSC FAN
For 50 years the NFL preached bigger, faster and stronger. And looked the other way over PEDs for TV ratings.
Now it's aww shite, we're bigger, faster and stronger. And the TV ratings are all invested into one player.
The deal is, the NFL is never going to go back to what it was. All we have left is NFL films.
What was once called controlled violence is now called controlled officiating. The game is over-officiated, not full tackle football and frankly bordering on strictly a Quad Sunday afternoon 7 on 7 passing league between fraternity bros.
Now it's aww shite, we're bigger, faster and stronger. And the TV ratings are all invested into one player.
The deal is, the NFL is never going to go back to what it was. All we have left is NFL films.
What was once called controlled violence is now called controlled officiating. The game is over-officiated, not full tackle football and frankly bordering on strictly a Quad Sunday afternoon 7 on 7 passing league between fraternity bros.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 2:28 pm to reo45
quote:on this board? I think a shite ton of people on this board didn't like the NFL until around 2007-2010.
How many fans here of the NFL have grown up believing every snap the defense is playing kill the man with the ball?
they like points and players. it's an nba mentality.
it's like movie goers who want splosions, poop, titties and things that go boom, but imagine if Michael bay were the only director working in Hollywood.
that's the NFL.
This post was edited on 10/17/17 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 10/17/17 at 2:30 pm to EastBankTiger
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This is losing the NFL more viewers than the kneeling.
Yep.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 2:31 pm to RLDSC FAN
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But is it worth it if you're protecting your QB? We all complain when we get matchups like the texans v raider playoff game last year. And I'm just playing devils advocate here.
Maybe the NFL needs to do a better job finding capable backups.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 2:32 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:if the next commish is balls to the walls committed to unfricking things and able to make the owners see it and believe it.
the NFL is never going to go back to what it was
but I doubt it.
roger said from the beginning he wanted to leave a legacy...that was a red flag and he didn't disappoint. he changed it all and now it sucks.
This post was edited on 10/17/17 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 10/17/17 at 2:32 pm to airfernando
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I'm okay with this rule in the tackle box. It won't work so well outside the tackle box. But there is also absolutely no reason defenders should be allowed to drive qbs into the ground when they don't have the ball. That has never made sens
It is called tackling
Posted on 10/17/17 at 2:36 pm to memphis tiger
quote:or maybe making the running game an equal part of an offense's success. but that would require them admitting that certain rule changes were a mistake...fat chance.
Maybe the NFL needs to do a better job finding capable backups.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 2:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
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yeah rodgers runs around...a LOT
he takes a TON of sacks
that lil bit of moving around is used by him to help his passing a to
If you can't touch a QB at all after the throw, they shouldnt be allowed to scramble
Posted on 10/17/17 at 2:37 pm to memphis tiger
the kneeling is the catalyst. if the product were 2003 level then they could wear isis patches and kneel for the anthem and it would be too good for people to walk away.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 2:38 pm to memphis tiger
and if your qb is taking shots...here's a novel approach
RUN THE frickING BALL!!!!
RUN THE frickING BALL!!!!
Posted on 10/17/17 at 2:42 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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Like it or not, the QBs are the centerpiece to every team, and they're looking to keep as many of them as possible on the field
QBs used to get hurt and teams didnt crumble. The game was balanced offensively and defensively.
Hell, Jeff Hostetler won Suber Bowl when Phil Simms got hurt. In Miami's undefeated season, didn't the backup play in most of the games.
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