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re: 30 for 30 "The '85 Bears" premieres tonight
Posted on 2/5/16 at 7:38 pm to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 2/5/16 at 7:38 pm to Roger Klarvin
You serious??? Walter could play in any era. Dent and singletary as well .
Posted on 2/5/16 at 8:23 pm to lsupride87
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Bamas front 7 would rape that offensive line. Rape them
Jesus are you serious? I'd bet my left nut that Bama would give up at least 28 if not more
This post was edited on 2/5/16 at 8:24 pm
Posted on 2/5/16 at 8:31 pm to WicKed WayZ
I think the skills guys and linebackers match up in any era. But the offensive line would get destroyed by the front 7 of Bama. Destroyed. Sugar71 keeps talking about "listed weight". Does he not realize that means they were even SMALLER. Teams lie to make players sound heavier. An offensive line averaging 265 is going to get skull drug by A-Shawn and crew
This post was edited on 2/5/16 at 8:32 pm
Posted on 2/5/16 at 9:52 pm to lsupride87
For people asking about when it airs again, it's available on demand on Watch ESPN in the replay section
Posted on 2/5/16 at 9:54 pm to Raz4back
Thanks. I did not know this. Thought I would have to wait until they load it on Netflix in a couple weeks.
Posted on 2/5/16 at 10:29 pm to Raz4back
Thanks. I looked last night in the replay section but didn't see it. Wouldn't have checked again if you didn't tell me about it
Posted on 2/6/16 at 11:00 am to lsupride87
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The left tackle on the 85 bears was 277 lbs and he was their biggest offensive lineman. I think that would serve a problem against elite college d-lines these days. 1985 was 31 years ago. The change in the size of lineman has been huuuuge in that timeframe. Linebackers and receivers not so much
Exactly. They would get absolutely abused up front.
And not only are these guys bigger, but they're much faster and stronger than the defensive lineman of the 1980s
Physical freaks like Clowney, Mario Williams and such just didn't exist in the 1980s on the line.
They'd be giving up too much in weight, strength, and speed to today's players.
Posted on 2/6/16 at 11:03 am to Roger Klarvin
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Yeah
Walter Payton
Willie Gault
Dan Hampton
Richard Dent
Mike Singletary
Dave Duerson
Otis Wilson
Jimbo Covert
NONE of those guys would have been drafted today
That's you. That's what you sound like.
Well you named 8. That's less than half of the offensive and defensive starters.
And if I had to guess Dan Hampton at 6'5" 264 lbs (his NFL playing weight) wouldn't really be much of a problem for an elite college OT like Cam Robinson. In fact I'd wager he'd get pushed around. All day.
Posted on 2/6/16 at 11:05 am to RLDSC FAN
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C'mon man
your average college playbook is probably at least 4-5x bigger than an NFL playbook in 1985
the college team would be bigger, stronger, faster, and have a more complicated system (on both sides) that the NFL team would never have seen before
Posted on 2/6/16 at 11:10 am to SlowFlowPro
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your average college playbook is probably at least 4-5x bigger than an NFL playbook in 1985
the college team would be bigger, stronger, faster, and have a more complicated system (on both sides) that the NFL team would never have seen before
And if they had a good dual threat QB, it would be even more comical.
Posted on 2/6/16 at 11:10 am to SlowFlowPro
Finally got to watch. Great episode for a great team
Posted on 2/6/16 at 11:14 am to Powerman
NFL playbooks exploded in the late 80s/early 90s when the west coast offense really started to dominate. the WCO was heads and shoulders more complicated than anything that the NFL had seen before. college offenses today are more complicated than the 80s WCO
and your "simpler" college offense are a style that the NFL teams would have no idea how to handle. the spread option/HUNH? please
i mean take Oregon trotting out that HUNH with 3-4 WRs every play and that 46 defense is running around with hands on hips having no idea what to do after about 2-3 drives. eventually UO would score every drive and does anybody see the bears with an undersized OL and simple offense being able to follow suit?
and your "simpler" college offense are a style that the NFL teams would have no idea how to handle. the spread option/HUNH? please
i mean take Oregon trotting out that HUNH with 3-4 WRs every play and that 46 defense is running around with hands on hips having no idea what to do after about 2-3 drives. eventually UO would score every drive and does anybody see the bears with an undersized OL and simple offense being able to follow suit?
This post was edited on 2/6/16 at 11:15 am
Posted on 2/6/16 at 11:19 am to SlowFlowPro
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NFL playbooks exploded in the late 80s/early 90s when the west coast offense really started to dominate. the WCO was heads and shoulders more complicated than anything that the NFL had seen before. college offenses today are more complicated than the 80s WCO
and your "simpler" college offense are a style that the NFL teams would have no idea how to handle. the spread option/HUNH? please
i mean take Oregon trotting out that HUNH with 3-4 WRs every play and that 46 defense is running around with hands on hips having no idea what to do after about 2-3 drives. eventually UO would score every drive and does anybody see the bears with an undersized OL and simple offense being able to follow suit?
Agree with all of this
The same reasons why an elite college team of today can't beat an NFL team are the same reasons that an elite NFL team from 30 years ago can't match up with an elite college team from today.
In both cases the size/strength/speed advantage in the trenches is too much to overcome and the complexity of the schemes is also too overwhelming.
Obviously there are some transcendent players like Walter Payton who could play in any era (although he might not be elite in today's game)
Posted on 2/6/16 at 11:23 am to Powerman
if you want a really fun example, look at 2004/2005 USC v. those bears teams
a guy like matt leinart would have been a fine NFL QB in the 80s, possibly a dominant QB
then you have those WRs, RBs, and that system. plus a HUGE OL that would be intimidated by the bears DL
or 2005 UT. does anybody think that the 1985 bears simple D would scare Vince Young? that UT D was fricking nasty
and teams today have 10+ years of development on those 2 teams
a guy like matt leinart would have been a fine NFL QB in the 80s, possibly a dominant QB
then you have those WRs, RBs, and that system. plus a HUGE OL that would be intimidated by the bears DL
or 2005 UT. does anybody think that the 1985 bears simple D would scare Vince Young? that UT D was fricking nasty
and teams today have 10+ years of development on those 2 teams
Posted on 2/6/16 at 11:25 am to Powerman
Y'all are so stupid. The '85 Bears had access to trans fats and the bench press. They also smoked cigars and drank beer, which means they had more will than the pussies today.
Back then, games meant something. The '85 Bears would blow out any college team from 2000 on by at least 40 touchdowns, probably only give up 14 total yards.
Back then, games meant something. The '85 Bears would blow out any college team from 2000 on by at least 40 touchdowns, probably only give up 14 total yards.
This post was edited on 2/6/16 at 11:27 am
Posted on 2/6/16 at 11:29 am to SlowFlowPro
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if you want a really fun example, look at 2004/2005 USC v. those bears teams
a guy like matt leinart would have been a fine NFL QB in the 80s, possibly a dominant QB
then you have those WRs, RBs, and that system. plus a HUGE OL that would be intimidated by the bears DL
or 2005 UT. does anybody think that the 1985 bears simple D would scare Vince Young? that UT D was fricking nasty
and teams today have 10+ years of development on those 2 teams
I was actually thinking of the 2 teams in that championship game
Both would completely obliterate every team in the year 1985
Posted on 2/6/16 at 11:31 am to Powerman
Singletary would ONLY have to LOOK at LEINART and LEINART would shite his PANTS!
Posted on 2/6/16 at 11:35 am to Powerman
and let's just remember vince young was what? 6-5, 230 back then? that's LB size for 1985
Posted on 2/6/16 at 11:50 am to SlowFlowPro
Just did a quick check. The patriots team they clobbered in the superbowl had an offensive line that averaged 277 lbs.
No way teams like that could hold up against elite college defensive linemen.
No way teams like that could hold up against elite college defensive linemen.
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