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Posted on 2/7/16 at 9:16 am to SlowFlowPro
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the west coast offense was known, well after the 90s, as the most complex offense in the NFL.
So you've gone googling to learn the history of the so called " West Coast Offense"
Save your time & see what Bill Bellichick says about it since he was the D Coordinator for the Giants who held Paul Browns old Offense to 3 points in the playoffs that season.
The 85 Bears were so bewildered by the 'complexity' that they held Montana / Walsh to 3 points ( 150 yds passing ) as well.
Bellichick knows far more about the formation of the Offense than you & everyone was aware of Paul Browns ( not Walsh's) Offense for decades.
You sound like one of the people proclaiming the modern intricacies of the Triangle Offense of Tex Winters/ Jackson. A set that was created in the late 1920's or early 30's & was popular in college until the 50's .
Posted on 2/7/16 at 9:21 am to SlowFlowPro
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well that's an apt comparison for this guy
The Carolina panthers Linebackers today who are no larger than the average linebacker of 1985 ( 236lbs ) would get slaughtered by Vince Young I guess.
Good trolling . And stop speaking on historical teams until you learn the history of the game.
Posted on 2/7/16 at 9:25 am to sugar71
the WCO is simply a reference point that started an evolution of defense and offense that has advanced the game more in 20 years than the 50 prior
offensive and defensive playbooks are nearly encyclopedias today, compared to young adult fiction novels of the 70s and 80s
offensive and defensive playbooks are nearly encyclopedias today, compared to young adult fiction novels of the 70s and 80s
Posted on 2/7/16 at 9:29 am to msudawg1200
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How do you know the OL would get steamrolled?
Because if they played today, they wouldn't even get drafted. They'd be marginal college players at best. Probably would be relegated to playing for mid major type programs at that size.
This is a list of all of the guards that got drafted in 2015 with their weights listed (from smallest to largest)
From guard to center the 1985 Bears roster weights are 271,277,259
The largest interior lineman on their offensive line is 28 pounds lighter than the lightest person even drafted in 2015 at the guard position.
The average size for guards and centers in 1985 was 277, again on average an NFL interior offensive lineman would be outweighed by 28 pounds by the SMALLEST offensive guard drafted in 2015
They'd be outweighed by 41 pounds by the average player drafted.
That size makes a difference. And you can bet your arse that they're stronger and more athletic than the 1985 guys.
1985 players simply could not compete in the modern era on the lines with very few exceptions
Posted on 2/7/16 at 9:32 am to Powerman
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The difference in size and athleticism really has changed that much. I don't know if the 07 LSU team would be a good example. But I'd wager the 2001 Miami team would kill the 85 bears. Wouldn't even be close.
Well, this is stupid on the face of it, but aside from that, why do people compare teams across years without correcting for the fact that the later team had the advantage of all those intervening years of knowledge?
The later team either has to be projected back to where it is using the resources of the earlier era or the earlier team has to be projected forward to where it has the knowledge learned in the interim.
shite, there are college sophomores that know more about physics than Einstein because they know things that were discovered after Einstein died. Would they "kill" Einstein in a physics contest?
Posted on 2/7/16 at 9:36 am to gthog61
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why do people compare teams across years without correcting for the fact that the later team had the advantage of all those intervening years of knowledge?
because that is the discussion
it's the only way that we can have the discussion because the alternative is pure fantasy that can be molded however you want
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The later team either has to be projected back to where it is using the resources of the earlier era or the earlier team has to be projected forward to where it has the knowledge learned in the interim.
case in point
Posted on 2/7/16 at 9:37 am to gthog61
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Well, this is stupid on the face of it, but aside from that, why do people compare teams across years without correcting for the fact that the later team had the advantage of all those intervening years of knowledge?
The later team either has to be projected back to where it is using the resources of the earlier era or the earlier team has to be projected forward to where it has the knowledge learned in the interim.
shite, there are college sophomores that know more about physics than Einstein because they know things that were discovered after Einstein died. Would they "kill" Einstein in a physics contest?
Agreed on all points
My point here is that people aren't acknowledging the progress and how much more competitive the game is now
The 1985 bears would not be able to match up with a modern team. Several decades of advancements in training and a much better crop of athletes to choose from.
And the lineman are just so much bigger and more athletic now. It's not just about scheme. They'd be so out manned the modern team could run something very basic and they would dominate.
Posted on 2/7/16 at 9:40 am to SlowFlowPro
To put all of this in perspective
I was reading a scouting report on Willie Allen from John Curtis that recently committed to LSU. He's listed at 6'7" 310 lbs.
That size would have made him a beast of a man in the NFL in 1985. In the scouting report they're saying that he needs to pack on more size to his frame to be able to compete for a spot at LSU and they don't see him being an early contributor...more of a third year guy.
I was reading a scouting report on Willie Allen from John Curtis that recently committed to LSU. He's listed at 6'7" 310 lbs.
That size would have made him a beast of a man in the NFL in 1985. In the scouting report they're saying that he needs to pack on more size to his frame to be able to compete for a spot at LSU and they don't see him being an early contributor...more of a third year guy.
Posted on 2/8/16 at 7:28 pm to Powerman
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Because if they played today, they wouldn't even get drafted. They'd be marginal college players at bes
And many of those 300lb slobs ( so called athletes) would be marginalized if they played by earlier rules.
Stop the Offensive linemen from extending arms & legally grabbing defenders & within 10 years offensive linemen weights would drop under 300 again( 310 now was 280-285 in 1985).
A slob like Terrence Cody would be back in Alabama being treated for his Pre Diabetes & not an NFL prospect.
Big Cat Ernie Ladd( 6'9 290ish) looked better than some of these slobs in his 40's Wrestling. Or Bubba Smith.
There have always been large men in the NFL ,but not the abundance of fat slobs who needed quickeness & stamina.
Posted on 2/8/16 at 7:29 pm to sugar71
quote:How did a diabetic slob like fridge make it?
be back in Alabama being treated for his Pre Diabetes & not an NFL prospect.
Posted on 2/8/16 at 7:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the WCO is simply a reference point that started an evolution of defense and offense that has advanced the game more in 20 years than the 50 prior
No the so called "West Coast Offense" was all you knew about.
Bill Bellichick ,Parcells ,Buddy Ryan,etc......had seen this same Offense for decades with Paul Brown.
The rule changes after 1978 allowed it to flourish nothing new or ingenious. Simply getting backs & more involved in the passing game instead of mostly blocking( since linemen are now allowed to hold ).
This post was edited on 2/8/16 at 8:04 pm
Posted on 2/8/16 at 7:42 pm to lsupride87
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How did a diabetic slob like fridge make it?
He was a Fraekshow who wasn't all that great outside of being an NFL sideshow who was constantly fined & in the doghouse for being over 300lbs.
Not quite the Pre diabetic slobs approaching 400 lbs who have cardiovascular issues after they retire.
There was a time in the NFL when fat slobs like Cody could not play 1 or 2 downs & go suck on oxygen / eat nachos for a few plays.
Specialization( rotating entire D Lines to give them ' breathers') & offensive holding rules have allowed these slobs to flourish.
Posted on 2/8/16 at 8:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
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well that's an apt comparison for this guy
Can I compare an NFL Bust in Vince Young to a faster 6'4 230 lb Hall of famer like Eric Dickerson who got his soul stolen by the Bears Defense in the ' 85 playoffs?
Jerry Rice , Montana & Walsh so called " west coast offense" which was held o 3 points by the Bears & the Giants that season?
This post was edited on 2/8/16 at 8:08 pm
Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:04 pm to Vols&Shaft83
I was born in Illinois 9/1/86. I think that season's results may have led to my birth. My dad was a huge fan of the Bears. I was given a personalized autograph by him from Walter Payton that I didn't grow to appreciate until I was older. Also, why does everyone post in bullet points instead of paragraphs in this thread? 
This post was edited on 2/9/16 at 12:32 am
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