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Young, but considering investing in rental properties. Where to start?

Posted on 11/18/14 at 1:53 pm
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67005 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 1:53 pm
I'm fresh out of college, but I'm starting to think about how I want to invest all of this money I have coming in. I'm putting 6% into the company 401K (they 100% match 4) in a stock heavy, aggressive model. I earn far more than I spend, have no debt, and rent. I am considering purchasing a duplex. What kinds of literature should I read to learn more? What kinds of things do I need to have in order before I start looking at properties?
Posted by dagrippa
Saigon
Member since Nov 2004
11285 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 1:54 pm to
Find a duplex, buy it and live in it if you can. Boom rental property.

Derp. I obviously didn't read. Biggest regret I have is buying a house first. Depends where you live too but GD in BR has duplexes from time to time.

Don't have any advice other than I agree with your path. Smart.
This post was edited on 11/18/14 at 1:56 pm
Posted by Clyde Tipton
Planet Earth
Member since Dec 2007
38725 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 2:18 pm to
I would advise you to put it in a REIT (Real Estate Investment Trust) and not deal with the bull shite of being a slum lord.
Posted by Delacroix
Member since Oct 2008
3985 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 2:21 pm to
bigger pockets dot com

everything you will ever need to know about REI
Posted by mtcheral
BR
Member since Oct 2008
1935 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 2:53 pm to
REI = Slumlord. Ok. Got it.
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
11987 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 3:10 pm to
Are you handy enough to make basic repairs? If not, I suggest you look for small job contractors while looking for appropriate rental property. You can save lots of $$ doing small stuff (drywall repair, hanging light fixtures & ceiling fans, regrouting tile) yourself.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67005 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 3:28 pm to
[quote]Are you handy enough to make basic repairs? If not, I suggest you look for small job contractors while looking for appropriate rental property. You can save lots of $$ doing small stuff (drywall repair, hanging light fixtures & ceiling fans, regrouting tile) yourself. [/quote}

I'm not great at it, but between my SO and I, we can cover most minor things (small carpentry jobs, paint, sheet rock, tile, landscaping, small concrete jobs, ect). For anything major (i.e. electrical, plumbing, or load bearing structure) I work in the construction industry and know and work with lots of people who do that kind of stuff on the side in their spare time.
Posted by Iowa Golfer
Heaven
Member since Dec 2013
10229 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 3:31 pm to
I own rentals. At times they can be a challenge, but mine have been consistently profitable.

If you hire a property manager my one piece of advice is to trust, but verify.

With respect to buying a duplex and living in one half, this is a good plan, and will be the easiest piece of property you hold for rent.
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
37694 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 3:46 pm to
Just starting out, I don't think you can go wrong with getting a duplex or quadplex to get your feet wet. Make sure that you can afford the ENTIRE payment without rental income.

My rental returns are better than probably 99% of of peoples stock market returns.
Posted by Mr.Perfect
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2013
17438 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 5:12 pm to
quote:

Make sure that you can afford the ENTIRE payment without rental income.


I don't understand this advice.

I'm a small time landlord (duplex and 4 plex ) bought the double and rented one side. Then bought the 4 and rented 3 while filling the double.

Double is convertional 20% down and 4 plex is fha with rents making the debt/income work.

If I took your advice I would not have the 4 plex.

Recently I bought a single family and the 4 plex is full.

I have good properties at or right below market value and can be picky with tenants giving me a great level of confidence and I can fill the unit easily before I lose income.

A good quad can cost 500+ .... all that matters is if the numbers work and you get the security you need.
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
37694 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 5:24 pm to
quote:

If I took your advice I would not have the 4 plex.


He is just starting out so he needs to get comfortable before he starts using leverage. I'm a small time landlord myself but everyone should start very conservative so they don't get in trouble.

Posted by Mr.Perfect
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2013
17438 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 7:10 pm to
Ok... I got you.

I thought you meant it as a blanket statement.

So I agree with you.

Reality is from an roi standpoint you certainly don't want to NEED the tenant to pay the rent.
Posted by Dr. Shultz
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Jun 2013
6391 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 7:35 pm to
Tell me about your adventures. I always see you talking about investing in real estate and I plan on doing the same once I get out of school.

I should be making 6 figures when I get out and I think real estate would be something good to dabble in.
Posted by Creamer
louisiana
Member since Jul 2010
2817 posts
Posted on 11/19/14 at 8:39 am to
Bama, are there any books or guides you would reccomend? I currently have 2 rental properties that have remained good investments, but I feel like there is a science of valuing rentals that I would like to fully grasp before purchasing anything else.
TIA
Posted by LSUTOM07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
765 posts
Posted on 11/19/14 at 11:07 am to
Bama, have you ever written out what you look for in a rental property on here? I would be curious to see what your decision making framework is when deciding on a rental property before making a purchase.
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 11/19/14 at 11:19 am to
one comment is make sure you are staying where you buy the rental units. managing rental units from far away can suck.
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
37694 posts
Posted on 11/19/14 at 1:56 pm to
Like another poster said, I would read biggerpockets and buy a few RE investing books. I always tell people to start out with "Rich Dad, Poor Dad".

Every market is different but I try and shoot for the "2% rule".

This rule states that I should be receiving 2% of my "all in costs" each month for rent.

So if I buy a house for $30,000 and put $10,000 into upgrades/renovations, I need to get $800 per month rent on that property. Now these types of properties are not easy to find but I assure you they are out there.

I don't do much investing in Birmingham because I can't find any properties that meet my 2% rule without going somewhere in the hood. Money isn't worth dying for. In north Alabama, it is much easier to find properties that match this criteria.
Posted by Creamer
louisiana
Member since Jul 2010
2817 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 6:31 am to
Thanks for the advice, I'm at about 1.25% on one property and 2% on the other. Both were previous residents of mine. From here forward I would like to purchase homes with the intention of investment properties though. I'll check out the book and site you mentioned. Thanks.
Posted by ItzMe1972
Member since Dec 2013
9776 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 9:22 am to
Get started young. Good advice here.Do buy locally.

My wife and I worked and bought rental homes also. At first the rent was low (little cash flow). But over time, they paid for themselves and allowed us to retire before 50.

I still do flips from time to time. There are plenty of websites for investors. Someone mentioned Rich Dad/Poor Dad. The whole series is fantastic. My personal favorite is Cash Flow Quadrant.

Many friends told me when I was younger that they didn't want to be called at 3 am for a stopped up toilet. That has never happened. And now they are getting into rentals in their 50s, wishing they had started earlier.

GO FOR IT!!!!

P.S. I bought nice brick homes on slabs and have a middle class clientele. The biggest key to hassle free land lording is tenant selection.

This post was edited on 11/20/14 at 9:24 am
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 10:18 am to
quote:

Every market is different but I try and shoot for the "2% rule".


Exactly. I suspect that in a high-cost area like DC that number is too high. Sure, you want a cushion above your purchase price to compensate for your time, repairs, bad tenants, etc. But I suspect that here the cushion can be far lower b/c:

1) Repair cost isn't that much higher than in Bama even though purchase price is.
2) Tenants are generally better at paying on time. Prices are so high that the riffraff can't live here.
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