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Young, but considering investing in rental properties. Where to start?
Posted on 11/18/14 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 11/18/14 at 1:53 pm
I'm fresh out of college, but I'm starting to think about how I want to invest all of this money I have coming in. I'm putting 6% into the company 401K (they 100% match 4) in a stock heavy, aggressive model. I earn far more than I spend, have no debt, and rent. I am considering purchasing a duplex. What kinds of literature should I read to learn more? What kinds of things do I need to have in order before I start looking at properties?
Posted on 11/18/14 at 1:54 pm to kingbob
Find a duplex, buy it and live in it if you can. Boom rental property.
Derp. I obviously didn't read. Biggest regret I have is buying a house first. Depends where you live too but GD in BR has duplexes from time to time.
Don't have any advice other than I agree with your path. Smart.
Derp. I obviously didn't read. Biggest regret I have is buying a house first. Depends where you live too but GD in BR has duplexes from time to time.
Don't have any advice other than I agree with your path. Smart.
This post was edited on 11/18/14 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 11/18/14 at 2:18 pm to kingbob
I would advise you to put it in a REIT (Real Estate Investment Trust) and not deal with the bull shite of being a slum lord.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 2:21 pm to kingbob
bigger pockets dot com
everything you will ever need to know about REI
everything you will ever need to know about REI
Posted on 11/18/14 at 2:53 pm to Clyde Tipton
REI = Slumlord. Ok. Got it.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 3:10 pm to mtcheral
Are you handy enough to make basic repairs? If not, I suggest you look for small job contractors while looking for appropriate rental property. You can save lots of $$ doing small stuff (drywall repair, hanging light fixtures & ceiling fans, regrouting tile) yourself.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 3:28 pm to hungryone
[quote]Are you handy enough to make basic repairs? If not, I suggest you look for small job contractors while looking for appropriate rental property. You can save lots of $$ doing small stuff (drywall repair, hanging light fixtures & ceiling fans, regrouting tile) yourself. [/quote}
I'm not great at it, but between my SO and I, we can cover most minor things (small carpentry jobs, paint, sheet rock, tile, landscaping, small concrete jobs, ect). For anything major (i.e. electrical, plumbing, or load bearing structure) I work in the construction industry and know and work with lots of people who do that kind of stuff on the side in their spare time.
I'm not great at it, but between my SO and I, we can cover most minor things (small carpentry jobs, paint, sheet rock, tile, landscaping, small concrete jobs, ect). For anything major (i.e. electrical, plumbing, or load bearing structure) I work in the construction industry and know and work with lots of people who do that kind of stuff on the side in their spare time.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 3:31 pm to kingbob
I own rentals. At times they can be a challenge, but mine have been consistently profitable.
If you hire a property manager my one piece of advice is to trust, but verify.
With respect to buying a duplex and living in one half, this is a good plan, and will be the easiest piece of property you hold for rent.
If you hire a property manager my one piece of advice is to trust, but verify.
With respect to buying a duplex and living in one half, this is a good plan, and will be the easiest piece of property you hold for rent.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 3:46 pm to kingbob
Just starting out, I don't think you can go wrong with getting a duplex or quadplex to get your feet wet. Make sure that you can afford the ENTIRE payment without rental income.
My rental returns are better than probably 99% of of peoples stock market returns.
My rental returns are better than probably 99% of of peoples stock market returns.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 5:12 pm to I Love Bama
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Make sure that you can afford the ENTIRE payment without rental income.
I don't understand this advice.
I'm a small time landlord (duplex and 4 plex ) bought the double and rented one side. Then bought the 4 and rented 3 while filling the double.
Double is convertional 20% down and 4 plex is fha with rents making the debt/income work.
If I took your advice I would not have the 4 plex.
Recently I bought a single family and the 4 plex is full.
I have good properties at or right below market value and can be picky with tenants giving me a great level of confidence and I can fill the unit easily before I lose income.
A good quad can cost 500+ .... all that matters is if the numbers work and you get the security you need.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 5:24 pm to Mr.Perfect
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If I took your advice I would not have the 4 plex.
He is just starting out so he needs to get comfortable before he starts using leverage. I'm a small time landlord myself but everyone should start very conservative so they don't get in trouble.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 7:10 pm to I Love Bama
Ok... I got you.
I thought you meant it as a blanket statement.
So I agree with you.
Reality is from an roi standpoint you certainly don't want to NEED the tenant to pay the rent.
I thought you meant it as a blanket statement.
So I agree with you.
Reality is from an roi standpoint you certainly don't want to NEED the tenant to pay the rent.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 7:35 pm to I Love Bama
Tell me about your adventures. I always see you talking about investing in real estate and I plan on doing the same once I get out of school.
I should be making 6 figures when I get out and I think real estate would be something good to dabble in.
I should be making 6 figures when I get out and I think real estate would be something good to dabble in.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 8:39 am to I Love Bama
Bama, are there any books or guides you would reccomend? I currently have 2 rental properties that have remained good investments, but I feel like there is a science of valuing rentals that I would like to fully grasp before purchasing anything else.
TIA
TIA
Posted on 11/19/14 at 11:07 am to I Love Bama
Bama, have you ever written out what you look for in a rental property on here? I would be curious to see what your decision making framework is when deciding on a rental property before making a purchase.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 11:19 am to kingbob
one comment is make sure you are staying where you buy the rental units. managing rental units from far away can suck.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 1:56 pm to Creamer
Like another poster said, I would read biggerpockets and buy a few RE investing books. I always tell people to start out with "Rich Dad, Poor Dad".
Every market is different but I try and shoot for the "2% rule".
This rule states that I should be receiving 2% of my "all in costs" each month for rent.
So if I buy a house for $30,000 and put $10,000 into upgrades/renovations, I need to get $800 per month rent on that property. Now these types of properties are not easy to find but I assure you they are out there.
I don't do much investing in Birmingham because I can't find any properties that meet my 2% rule without going somewhere in the hood. Money isn't worth dying for. In north Alabama, it is much easier to find properties that match this criteria.
Every market is different but I try and shoot for the "2% rule".
This rule states that I should be receiving 2% of my "all in costs" each month for rent.
So if I buy a house for $30,000 and put $10,000 into upgrades/renovations, I need to get $800 per month rent on that property. Now these types of properties are not easy to find but I assure you they are out there.
I don't do much investing in Birmingham because I can't find any properties that meet my 2% rule without going somewhere in the hood. Money isn't worth dying for. In north Alabama, it is much easier to find properties that match this criteria.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 6:31 am to I Love Bama
Thanks for the advice, I'm at about 1.25% on one property and 2% on the other. Both were previous residents of mine. From here forward I would like to purchase homes with the intention of investment properties though. I'll check out the book and site you mentioned. Thanks.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 9:22 am to Creamer
Get started young. Good advice here.Do buy locally.
My wife and I worked and bought rental homes also. At first the rent was low (little cash flow). But over time, they paid for themselves and allowed us to retire before 50.
I still do flips from time to time. There are plenty of websites for investors. Someone mentioned Rich Dad/Poor Dad. The whole series is fantastic. My personal favorite is Cash Flow Quadrant.
Many friends told me when I was younger that they didn't want to be called at 3 am for a stopped up toilet. That has never happened. And now they are getting into rentals in their 50s, wishing they had started earlier.
GO FOR IT!!!!
P.S. I bought nice brick homes on slabs and have a middle class clientele. The biggest key to hassle free land lording is tenant selection.
My wife and I worked and bought rental homes also. At first the rent was low (little cash flow). But over time, they paid for themselves and allowed us to retire before 50.
I still do flips from time to time. There are plenty of websites for investors. Someone mentioned Rich Dad/Poor Dad. The whole series is fantastic. My personal favorite is Cash Flow Quadrant.
Many friends told me when I was younger that they didn't want to be called at 3 am for a stopped up toilet. That has never happened. And now they are getting into rentals in their 50s, wishing they had started earlier.
GO FOR IT!!!!
P.S. I bought nice brick homes on slabs and have a middle class clientele. The biggest key to hassle free land lording is tenant selection.
This post was edited on 11/20/14 at 9:24 am
Posted on 11/20/14 at 10:18 am to I Love Bama
quote:
Every market is different but I try and shoot for the "2% rule".
Exactly. I suspect that in a high-cost area like DC that number is too high. Sure, you want a cushion above your purchase price to compensate for your time, repairs, bad tenants, etc. But I suspect that here the cushion can be far lower b/c:
1) Repair cost isn't that much higher than in Bama even though purchase price is.
2) Tenants are generally better at paying on time. Prices are so high that the riffraff can't live here.
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