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s&P etf to short the market

Posted on 2/28/24 at 10:58 am
Posted by biscuitsngravy
Tejas, north America
Member since Jan 2011
3000 posts
Posted on 2/28/24 at 10:58 am
any of you big ballers made this move before? looking at the proshares s&p short etf. index valuations are through the roof. Getting close to the 90's tech bubble days.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84886 posts
Posted on 2/28/24 at 11:00 am to
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Getting close to the 90's tech bubble days.


Define close?
Posted by biscuitsngravy
Tejas, north America
Member since Jan 2011
3000 posts
Posted on 2/28/24 at 11:06 am to
From 2/25 Economist Article:

Valuations are reaching sky high levels. The most closely followed measure of them was devised by Robert Shiller of Yale University. It compares prices with inflation-adjusted earnings over the previous decade—a long enough period to smooth out the economic cycle. The resulting cyclically-adjusted price-to-earnings ratio, or cape, has never been higher than 44.2, a record reached in 1999, during the dotcom bubble. The previous peak was in 1929, when the cape hit 31.5. It now stands at 34.3.

thinking about a small'ish combination long / short portfolio position for next 12 to 18 months.
This post was edited on 2/28/24 at 11:11 am
Posted by Sir Saint
1 post
Member since Jun 2010
5323 posts
Posted on 2/28/24 at 11:16 am to
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Getting close to the 90's tech bubble days.


Nasdaq PE was 200 at the peak back then. We're no where near thems levels...yet

Godspeed friend
Posted by BourbonDad
Somewhere on the vol surface
Member since Sep 2016
192 posts
Posted on 2/28/24 at 3:02 pm to
Just buy SOXS SQQQ
Posted by TheWalrus
Member since Dec 2012
40522 posts
Posted on 2/28/24 at 3:42 pm to
I get keeping money on the sidelines but to actually short the market is nuts.
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
15848 posts
Posted on 2/28/24 at 3:53 pm to
When shorting the market using options, you have to get two things right:

1. The direction
2. The timing

I rarely get 2 things right.

Good luck.
Posted by Maderan
Member since Feb 2005
807 posts
Posted on 2/28/24 at 4:15 pm to
Be careful of inverse ETFs. They are not meant for long holding periods and most re-balance daily. Beta slippage and volatility decay causes losses the longer the holding period.
Posted by biscuitsngravy
Tejas, north America
Member since Jan 2011
3000 posts
Posted on 2/28/24 at 5:32 pm to
Appreciated
Posted by Shepherd88
Member since Dec 2013
4586 posts
Posted on 2/28/24 at 7:12 pm to
If you have to ask this question, then you have no idea what you’re doing. No offense
Posted by Hayekian serf
GA
Member since Dec 2020
2548 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 5:35 am to
Short any of the tech ETFs.

Or look into leveraged ETFs.

But you better know what you are doing.

You are swimming in dangerous waters.
This post was edited on 2/29/24 at 5:36 am
Posted by BourbonDad
Somewhere on the vol surface
Member since Sep 2016
192 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 5:54 am to
That’s why going long the inverse ETFs is a better idea imo. I’m long SQQQ and SOXS calls. Most capital efficient way to capture market downside.
Posted by bayoumuscle21
St. George
Member since Jan 2012
4634 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 6:09 am to
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Just buy SOXS SQQQ


And Vix
Posted by bayoumuscle21
St. George
Member since Jan 2012
4634 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 6:09 am to
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SQQQ


I feel like SQQQ at 11 is stealing but that's just me
Posted by Hayekian serf
GA
Member since Dec 2020
2548 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 6:25 am to
If I were to short anything it would be the real estate market.

REK is an option. But again it’s really turning investment into a true casino game that inherently keeps the odds against you.

If tech were to crumble I’d rather be in mega cap dividend monsters than attempt to catch the falling knife.

But I’m more risk averse than most people.
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11102 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 11:07 am to
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Getting close to the 90's tech bubble days.


You would be correct in the small cap/private markets space. The S&P 500 is not it, breh.
Posted by frogtown
Member since Aug 2017
5017 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 12:54 pm to
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You would be correct in the small cap/


Where is the "bubble" in small caps?
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11102 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 2:17 pm to
I'm not calling it a bubble small caps already got taken to the cleaners last year. There are, however, a ton of names that were dumped onto the public in 2020-2022 that won't ever make a penny which is why I think it's similar.
Posted by TigerDeBaiter
Member since Dec 2010
10266 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 2:22 pm to
Try REKT
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4100 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 3:30 pm to
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I’m long SQQQ and SOXS calls. Most capital efficient way to capture market downside.




Are you establishing those positions at 45-50 DTE, with a goal to exit at a certain % profit target or DTE? And if you don't mind the question, what delta did you go for at open?
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