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s&P etf to short the market
Posted on 2/28/24 at 10:58 am
Posted on 2/28/24 at 10:58 am
any of you big ballers made this move before? looking at the proshares s&p short etf. index valuations are through the roof. Getting close to the 90's tech bubble days.
Posted on 2/28/24 at 11:00 am to biscuitsngravy
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Getting close to the 90's tech bubble days.
Define close?
Posted on 2/28/24 at 11:06 am to slackster
From 2/25 Economist Article:
Valuations are reaching sky high levels. The most closely followed measure of them was devised by Robert Shiller of Yale University. It compares prices with inflation-adjusted earnings over the previous decade—a long enough period to smooth out the economic cycle. The resulting cyclically-adjusted price-to-earnings ratio, or cape, has never been higher than 44.2, a record reached in 1999, during the dotcom bubble. The previous peak was in 1929, when the cape hit 31.5. It now stands at 34.3.
thinking about a small'ish combination long / short portfolio position for next 12 to 18 months.
Valuations are reaching sky high levels. The most closely followed measure of them was devised by Robert Shiller of Yale University. It compares prices with inflation-adjusted earnings over the previous decade—a long enough period to smooth out the economic cycle. The resulting cyclically-adjusted price-to-earnings ratio, or cape, has never been higher than 44.2, a record reached in 1999, during the dotcom bubble. The previous peak was in 1929, when the cape hit 31.5. It now stands at 34.3.
thinking about a small'ish combination long / short portfolio position for next 12 to 18 months.
This post was edited on 2/28/24 at 11:11 am
Posted on 2/28/24 at 11:16 am to biscuitsngravy
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Getting close to the 90's tech bubble days.
Nasdaq PE was 200 at the peak back then. We're no where near thems levels...yet
Godspeed friend
Posted on 2/28/24 at 3:42 pm to biscuitsngravy
I get keeping money on the sidelines but to actually short the market is nuts.
Posted on 2/28/24 at 3:53 pm to biscuitsngravy
When shorting the market using options, you have to get two things right:
1. The direction
2. The timing
I rarely get 2 things right.
Good luck.
1. The direction
2. The timing
I rarely get 2 things right.
Good luck.
Posted on 2/28/24 at 4:15 pm to makersmark1
Be careful of inverse ETFs. They are not meant for long holding periods and most re-balance daily. Beta slippage and volatility decay causes losses the longer the holding period.
Posted on 2/28/24 at 7:12 pm to biscuitsngravy
If you have to ask this question, then you have no idea what you’re doing. No offense
Posted on 2/29/24 at 5:35 am to biscuitsngravy
Short any of the tech ETFs.
Or look into leveraged ETFs.
But you better know what you are doing.
You are swimming in dangerous waters.
Or look into leveraged ETFs.
But you better know what you are doing.
You are swimming in dangerous waters.
This post was edited on 2/29/24 at 5:36 am
Posted on 2/29/24 at 5:54 am to Hayekian serf
That’s why going long the inverse ETFs is a better idea imo. I’m long SQQQ and SOXS calls. Most capital efficient way to capture market downside.
Posted on 2/29/24 at 6:09 am to BourbonDad
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Just buy SOXS SQQQ
And Vix
Posted on 2/29/24 at 6:09 am to BourbonDad
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SQQQ
I feel like SQQQ at 11 is stealing but that's just me
Posted on 2/29/24 at 6:25 am to bayoumuscle21
If I were to short anything it would be the real estate market.
REK is an option. But again it’s really turning investment into a true casino game that inherently keeps the odds against you.
If tech were to crumble I’d rather be in mega cap dividend monsters than attempt to catch the falling knife.
But I’m more risk averse than most people.
REK is an option. But again it’s really turning investment into a true casino game that inherently keeps the odds against you.
If tech were to crumble I’d rather be in mega cap dividend monsters than attempt to catch the falling knife.
But I’m more risk averse than most people.
Posted on 2/29/24 at 11:07 am to biscuitsngravy
quote:
Getting close to the 90's tech bubble days.
You would be correct in the small cap/private markets space. The S&P 500 is not it, breh.
Posted on 2/29/24 at 12:54 pm to wutangfinancial
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You would be correct in the small cap/
Where is the "bubble" in small caps?
Posted on 2/29/24 at 2:17 pm to frogtown
I'm not calling it a bubble small caps already got taken to the cleaners last year. There are, however, a ton of names that were dumped onto the public in 2020-2022 that won't ever make a penny which is why I think it's similar.
Posted on 2/29/24 at 3:30 pm to BourbonDad
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I’m long SQQQ and SOXS calls. Most capital efficient way to capture market downside.
Are you establishing those positions at 45-50 DTE, with a goal to exit at a certain % profit target or DTE? And if you don't mind the question, what delta did you go for at open?
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