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Green and soon to be college graduate. Need a manifesto or advice.
Posted on 7/14/15 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 7/14/15 at 3:30 pm
Next may I will graduate with an engineering degree. I will start out with around 40k in student debt. I come to money talk board to ask advice on what would you do if you could do it all over again regarding building wealth and money management.
Posted on 7/14/15 at 3:32 pm to RickySauwce
What is the interest rate on them?
Posted on 7/14/15 at 3:33 pm to rpg37
I am not sure they are unsubsidized stafford loans.
Posted on 7/14/15 at 3:35 pm to RickySauwce
Do in life what makes you happy. Money will never compensate for satisfaction. What ever path you take, SAVE at least 10% of your income for retirement. I know millionaires who did this and had blue-collar jobs all of their lives. Life is a journey, not a destination, savor all of it. Tomorrow will come all too soon. That is enough platitudes for now!!
Posted on 7/14/15 at 3:40 pm to RickySauwce
Get a mint.com account or something similar. Continue to live the college lifestyle for as long as you can after you graduate. Don't buy rounds of shots at the bar. Pay off your student debt as quickly as you can.
Posted on 7/14/15 at 3:44 pm to yellowhammer2098
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Don't buy rounds of shots at the bar. Pay off your student debt as quickly as you can.
This depends on what his interest is. If he has other debts at greater rates, then this is not sound advice. Now, if this is his ONLY debt, sure, but this is highly unlikely given the guy has to be in home-buying move soon and has a car, credit cards, other debts.
Posted on 7/14/15 at 3:44 pm to RickySauwce
I am now over 2 years out of LSU. I also have an engineering degree and I left school with nearly 40k debt. Here's what I've done with my finances since leaving school.
1. Created a spreadsheet wiht all expenses and debts (budget)
2. Consolidated loans through Sallie Mae
3. Built emergency fund
4. Raised 401k contribution to 10%
5. Refinanced student loans through SoFi (Will save 10k over life of the loan)
5. Saved for a down payment on a house (Did a 5% conventional loan and rented out 2 bedrooms to roommates)
6. After I had a little cash flow I opened a Roth IRA and began contributing
I'm not saying that's the exact way you should do things, but that was my path I took as I learned more about personal finance. Hope it helps and good luck
ETA: One huge thing that helped me save was setting up an account with Capital One 360 and automating my saving to withdraw a certain amount each pay period.
1. Created a spreadsheet wiht all expenses and debts (budget)
2. Consolidated loans through Sallie Mae
3. Built emergency fund
4. Raised 401k contribution to 10%
5. Refinanced student loans through SoFi (Will save 10k over life of the loan)
5. Saved for a down payment on a house (Did a 5% conventional loan and rented out 2 bedrooms to roommates)
6. After I had a little cash flow I opened a Roth IRA and began contributing
I'm not saying that's the exact way you should do things, but that was my path I took as I learned more about personal finance. Hope it helps and good luck
ETA: One huge thing that helped me save was setting up an account with Capital One 360 and automating my saving to withdraw a certain amount each pay period.
This post was edited on 7/14/15 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 7/14/15 at 3:46 pm to RickySauwce
Keep living cheaply like a college student at least until your loans are paid off.
Posted on 7/14/15 at 3:48 pm to RickySauwce
From your very first paycheck set your savings plans and don't deviate. Its 100X easier to start saving right away then to take that income out later.
Posted on 7/14/15 at 4:52 pm to RickySauwce
Pay off the 40k in two years.
Start a Roth IRA as soon as you can.
Meet company match if at all feasible.
Allocate a certain amount of play money, whether it's $500 worth of alcohol or $500 for any random items/activities matters none.
Figure out how much that amount will be, and don't exceed it.
Start a Roth IRA as soon as you can.
Meet company match if at all feasible.
Allocate a certain amount of play money, whether it's $500 worth of alcohol or $500 for any random items/activities matters none.
Figure out how much that amount will be, and don't exceed it.
Posted on 7/14/15 at 4:54 pm to RickySauwce
What dwr353 said. Invest the retirement in a low cost index fund and let the 40 or so years work it's magic. It isn't rocket science, it just takes discipline.
Posted on 7/14/15 at 4:59 pm to RickySauwce
Duplicate What Dustin has done if you can
Seriously. He's got things figured out.
Seriously. He's got things figured out.
Posted on 7/14/15 at 5:00 pm to RickySauwce
quote:I'm not much older than you, but others gave some good advice. Budget, set up emergency fund, pay off debt, set up IRAs, always seek to get the max employer match in your 401K (it's free money that too many don't take advantage of). When you are ready to really put money into investing for retirement, start reading and learning as much as you can on investing, managing and growing one's wealth, and different investment vehicles so you can find the one you like the most/are best at (real estate, bonds, stocks, mutual funds, ETFs, REITs...). Plenty of books can be found for free legally in pdf format online to do so, and there are many good blogs to read as well.
advice on what would you do if you could do it all over again regarding building wealth and money management.
Personally, I really wish that some relatives had let me invest when I was younger. I wanted to buy BP after the Deepwater Horizon spill when it dropped below $30. It went up to $45 within a year. I wanted to buy a bank stock a year or two later, and they told me no again. It went up 70% within a two year time frame. If I had gotten into both, I would have had a 150% gain in 3 or 4 years.
Posted on 7/14/15 at 5:07 pm to Omada
What was their rationale?
Which bank? BAC or Citi?
Which bank? BAC or Citi?
Posted on 7/14/15 at 5:25 pm to bayoubengals88
quote:Being financially and stock market ignorant, they said the stock market was little more than gambling, I'd lose all my money, etc. Oddly, they both owned stock, no funds, and did own the stocks I was interested in. Them treating the stock market as voodoo is partly why I am so interested in it.
What was their rationale?
quote:Neither. I don't want to say because at least one has read this board in the past. It is a Southern bank, though.
Which bank? BAC or Citi?
Posted on 7/14/15 at 6:11 pm to rpg37
Interest rates on unsubsidized federal loans run in the 6.8% range so they should be paid off rather aggressively.
OP - do you have an internship this summer?
OP - do you have an internship this summer?
Posted on 7/14/15 at 6:25 pm to RickySauwce
Find out what the rate on your loans is. This is a very important number to know. Obviously, you are better off paying extra on loans with a higher rate, unless that rate is "low enough". What do I mean by "low enough"? Well, if the rate on a loan is 2% or so, that's the long-term rate of inflation and you should only make minimum payments. If it is, say, 4% you might still not want to pay too much since you're probably building up a cash cushion.
Even more important than that is taking advantage of company matches. If your employer offers a match up to a certain amount in your 401(k), that is an immediate 100% return on investment, that's better than paying off a 20% credit card debt.
But long-term the best thing you can do is focus on your career and get what are often large raises. Most companies view college hires as gambles and pay accordingly. Prove yourself and your income will increase by a startling amount.
Even more important than that is taking advantage of company matches. If your employer offers a match up to a certain amount in your 401(k), that is an immediate 100% return on investment, that's better than paying off a 20% credit card debt.
But long-term the best thing you can do is focus on your career and get what are often large raises. Most companies view college hires as gambles and pay accordingly. Prove yourself and your income will increase by a startling amount.
Posted on 7/14/15 at 6:43 pm to foshizzle
As no one else has seemed to mention. Try having some fun, these are some of the best years of your life. But I agree with whoever said automate your savings as much as possible. Then ball out on what's left.
Posted on 7/14/15 at 8:51 pm to RickySauwce
The first 10 years out of college will fly by. Find someone to experience life with and do it. At this point, don't focus on retirement. Focus on you (within reason).
Travel a bit.
Move away if possible.
Tuck something away each month
Travel a bit.
Move away if possible.
Tuck something away each month
Posted on 7/15/15 at 10:32 am to Dodd
Of course, writing out a budget is the place to start. Figure out how much you spend in each category (food, rent, fun, savings); track your spending & refigure your budget after a few months' experience.
--if you need wheels, resist the temptation to buy a new car; find a decent used one (CPO or something with a warranty) instead
--think of your student loan as the entry-level luxury car you're not driving; strive to pay it off at the same rate you'd pay off a car...ie, 36-48 months. if you can manage a car note in this time frame, you can retire those loans at a similar rate.
--start saving a set amount each month: divide savings into IRA contribution and into emergency fund. doesn't matter if it's $50 divided; what is important is the habit of saving, the peace of mind having a cushion will bring, and the long-term benefits of compound interest in the retirement realm.
--as your salary increases, increase your savings.
--learn to be thrifty, not cheap. Cheap is buying terrible things that break because you can't stand to spend money; thrifty considers how long you'll own something, whether or not you'll use it regularly, whether it represents a good value/quality for the money, etc. (Like a cheap suit vs. something better quality that will last longer, stand up to dry cleaning, look better, not go shiny in the elbows, etc)
--don't freak out when sh*t happens. cause it will; you will manage to get three flat tires in three successive months, you will get sick out of town and have to pay for overpriced urgent care, you will break something expensive that you just bought (or borrowed from your friend & thus must replace). don't let a few bad things derail you from your overall good habits.
Travel, thriftily. Forget the need for higher end hotels, learn to like camping, or hostels, or cheap pensione. Get a passport and use your vacation time to see the world up close & personal...find some like-minded friends to stretch your funds. You never know what life will bring, so don't wait around for "more money" or a "better time"....figure out how to do/see the things you want, in a manner you can afford.
--if you need wheels, resist the temptation to buy a new car; find a decent used one (CPO or something with a warranty) instead
--think of your student loan as the entry-level luxury car you're not driving; strive to pay it off at the same rate you'd pay off a car...ie, 36-48 months. if you can manage a car note in this time frame, you can retire those loans at a similar rate.
--start saving a set amount each month: divide savings into IRA contribution and into emergency fund. doesn't matter if it's $50 divided; what is important is the habit of saving, the peace of mind having a cushion will bring, and the long-term benefits of compound interest in the retirement realm.
--as your salary increases, increase your savings.
--learn to be thrifty, not cheap. Cheap is buying terrible things that break because you can't stand to spend money; thrifty considers how long you'll own something, whether or not you'll use it regularly, whether it represents a good value/quality for the money, etc. (Like a cheap suit vs. something better quality that will last longer, stand up to dry cleaning, look better, not go shiny in the elbows, etc)
--don't freak out when sh*t happens. cause it will; you will manage to get three flat tires in three successive months, you will get sick out of town and have to pay for overpriced urgent care, you will break something expensive that you just bought (or borrowed from your friend & thus must replace). don't let a few bad things derail you from your overall good habits.
Travel, thriftily. Forget the need for higher end hotels, learn to like camping, or hostels, or cheap pensione. Get a passport and use your vacation time to see the world up close & personal...find some like-minded friends to stretch your funds. You never know what life will bring, so don't wait around for "more money" or a "better time"....figure out how to do/see the things you want, in a manner you can afford.
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