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re: Am I buying too much house?

Posted on 8/19/15 at 11:55 am to
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89481 posts
Posted on 8/19/15 at 11:55 am to
quote:

I have 20% down. So that puts a mortgage of 280,000.


280k at 4.5% over 30 years is about $1850 P&I, plus another, what, $250 in escrow?

So, $2100*12=$25200, annual. Just based on your income of $120k - I think you're okay - you're just a shade over 20% of your gross annual for mortgage.

Other multipliers - you're at about 3x your annual income - that doesn't seem excessive either, particularly if you have some room to grow. Regardless, I think you're okay with zero income from the spouse, assuming the balance of your finances are in order.

On the other hand, your net income is what, like $6500? You're committing almost 1/3 of that to the mortgage, insurance and property taxes. That's the stark reality. However, if you're comfortable with it - I do not think you're going into a "house rich, cash poor" situation.

I normally recommend 15-year mortgages, but the "free money" cultists always shout me down. What you're doing appears to be conventional and reasonable, FWIW.
This post was edited on 8/19/15 at 11:57 am
Posted by Polar Pop
Member since Feb 2012
10748 posts
Posted on 8/19/15 at 12:12 pm to
You buying in Shreveport/Bossier?

To give you an idea, I just bought in North Bossier for $275k. 5% down had me financing around $263k with a monthly note of $1790.
Posted by TigerSaints318
Shreveport
Member since Dec 2009
1794 posts
Posted on 8/19/15 at 12:16 pm to
Im buying in Shreveport.

I'd rather do the 15 year option, but I don't think I would fee comfortable doing it on this amount of money.

Thanks for all the feedback.
Posted by yellowfin
Coastal Bar
Member since May 2006
97615 posts
Posted on 8/19/15 at 12:33 pm to
unless you have out of the ordinary expenses you'll be fine
Posted by sneakytiger
Member since Oct 2007
2471 posts
Posted on 8/19/15 at 12:34 pm to
I was in an almost identical situation 2 years ago. It's not a bad decision if you have a stable job and your hopeful wife plans on keeping her job in the short-term. Just prepare yourself for the fact that you will be house poor. Also, don't discount how fricking expensive it can be to furnish and decorate a house. The down payment is the first whammy, but furnishing a house is death by a thousand cuts. Our savings account is just now starting to recover.
Posted by Polar Pop
Member since Feb 2012
10748 posts
Posted on 8/19/15 at 12:38 pm to
quote:

The down payment is the first whammy, but furnishing a house is death by a thousand cuts. Our savings account is just now starting to recover.


So true...It is insane.

Closed on my house a month ago, got the entire house repainted, living room furniture, appliances, a bunch of trinkets and shite. The daily spending is unreal while setting up.

Even though I know Im okay, I cant even sleep at night right now.
Posted by TigerSaints318
Shreveport
Member since Dec 2009
1794 posts
Posted on 8/19/15 at 12:44 pm to
Yea, Ive thought about all the expenses on furnishing it. I won't need to do any upgrades, repainting etc. but I'll have to buy lots of other furnishing crap.
Posted by sneakytiger
Member since Oct 2007
2471 posts
Posted on 8/19/15 at 12:46 pm to
Mine went:

20% down payment
New HVAC system and ductwork
New roof
Wedding
Repainted interior
Mostly new furniture, art and other shite

The first three all done within a couple weeks, that was a rough month for my bank account.
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
39553 posts
Posted on 8/19/15 at 12:55 pm to
quote:

Mine went:

20% down payment
New HVAC system and ductwork
New roof
Wedding
Repainted interior
Mostly new furniture, art and other shite

The first three all done within a couple weeks, that was a rough month for my bank account.


Hello twin.

Ya, the first year of home ownership sure is fun. I knew going into it since its why we got the house at the price we did, but writing checks for an HVAC isn't the most rewarding feeling like a cosmetic overhaul.

Still waiting to put in my yard.

SO. MUCH. GRAVEL.
Posted by Cold Cous Cous
Bucktown, La.
Member since Oct 2003
15043 posts
Posted on 8/19/15 at 3:25 pm to
quote:

She loves the house and wants to stay put.

Well that's your answer, why are you asking us

Personally, I think 2,500 is way more house than 2 people need, and the possibility of having to move in a couple years isn't that big of a deal - do the math and figure out how much more interest you'll be paying the next five years on this house as compared to a more modest house. You might be surprised at big a difference it will make.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24125 posts
Posted on 8/19/15 at 3:45 pm to
Why not rent for two years, save more cash, get married, then buy a nice big house?

This assumes you can rent for cheaper than buying a house. You are exposing yourself a little by buying a house big enough for a family of 4 before you are even married. It isn't a terrible decision but feels a little rushed.

Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 8/19/15 at 3:48 pm to
A few thoughts:

Wait until you're married to buy the house.

If you aren't going to wait, then have her sign the title and apply for the mortgage as well. This is a true sign of respect and love for your future wife if you ask me. This means no decision can be made on the home-refinance, sale, etc-without her approval and signoff. Will feather her emotional nest if you ask me.

Even if her credit is poor or income is not there yet, have her sign the title. It'll give her some peace of mind. You're welcome

Figure out your takehome pay. Never use your salary. Figure out your take home after your paycheck hits the checking account. Add up the take home over the entire month.

Use that number and then multiply by .25 to .35 MAX. Some may goose that number higher but you never want your house note to be more than that amount if you'd like to be comfortable. More than likely, you will very quickly accumulate additional expenses whether its child care, daycare (in the future), automobile, etc. Ancillary bills like car insurance (for her) and HOI for you need to be factored in as well.

It's also a good idea to look at life insurance costs while you're going through this. With this type of income and this type of house, buy some to protect the future Missus.

But if your house note fits within the parameters of a quarter to a little more than a third of your monthly take home pay, you're good to geaux IMO.

If not, you may be biting off a little more than you can chew. It's always always always better to buy less house than too much. Owner Occupied Residential Real Estate is almost always an appreciating asset. One you can expect-in a decent neighborhood-to appreciate 3-5%/year in a healthy economy.

Buying a little less house now will allow you the flexibility later to move up into something else if you did underestimate your needs in this instance. It'll also free up more of your take home pay for whatever else you want to spend it on.

Finally, never take the 15 year amortization. Take the 30 year mortgage, and then have your broker run a 15 year amortization schedule. If you like the idea of paying off early, use one or two options:

Pay using the 15 year schedule your broker prints out for you (and maintain the flexibility in case of of a potential economic hardship to drop back down to a much lower 30 year note)

Take your monthly note (PITI-Principal, Interest, Taxes and Insurance) and divide it by 12. Take that number and add it to your monthly note each month, and indicate specifically to your mortgage servicer that this extra be applied directly to principal only. Obviously you'll end up making 13 payments per year. This has typically knocked 10-13 years off most terms when I ran amortization schedules on these amounts back in the day.

Good Luck!
This post was edited on 8/19/15 at 3:49 pm
Posted by Ziggy
Member since Oct 2007
21509 posts
Posted on 8/19/15 at 3:59 pm to
quote:

Use that number and then multiply by .25 to .35 MAX. Some may goose that number higher but you never want your house note to be more than that amount if you'd like to be comfortable.

I assume this is based on total mortgage payment, i.e. PITI?
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 8/19/15 at 4:02 pm to
quote:

Personally, I think 2,500 is way more house than 2 people need

i guess you wouldnt like our 3200 sq ft house for two people and a cat. No chance of kids.

The one caveat is to be in the hood we wanted to be in, we had to get a house this big. or a condo and we didn't want a condo.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 8/19/15 at 4:05 pm to
Wife and I lived in a 3200 sq foot home for 3 years before our first kid was born. I would agree it was way too big for just the two of us. After 2 kids and a dog, I still think it's too big, but would never be able to convince my wife of that.
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 8/19/15 at 4:11 pm to
we knew it was too big when we bought it. But we fell in love with it, and it had all the features we wanted in a house plus the right location. We looked at 20-30 houses, and this was the only one we "wanted" there were a few that we could have been happy in. After we saw the pics, we knew this is the house we would buy.

we have multiple empty closets.

Both the wife and I do work from home, so at least all of the bedrooms get used.
This post was edited on 8/19/15 at 4:12 pm
Posted by sandwolf
Member since Jun 2015
61 posts
Posted on 8/19/15 at 4:23 pm to
quote:

280k at 4.5% over 30 years is about $1850 P&I


How are you coming up with that number? I am getting $1420 P+I.
Posted by TigerSaints318
Shreveport
Member since Dec 2009
1794 posts
Posted on 8/19/15 at 5:19 pm to
Thanks again guys. It's fitting better into the budget, the more numbers I crunch. I'm actually pacing to make almost 140k. My net check is thrown off because I've been making up for some lost time to retirement accounts.
Posted by Saint5446
Member since Jan 2014
823 posts
Posted on 8/19/15 at 5:27 pm to
You will be more than OK.
Posted by kennypowers816
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2010
2443 posts
Posted on 8/19/15 at 6:39 pm to
quote:

If you aren't going to wait, then have her sign the title and apply for the mortgage as well. This is a true sign of respect and love for your future wife if you ask me. This means no decision can be made on the home-refinance, sale, etc-without her approval and signoff. Will feather her emotional nest if you ask me.

Even if her credit is poor or income is not there yet, have her sign the title. It'll give her some peace of mind. You're welcome


I don't agree with this one bit. If you're putting up the whole down payment by yourself and yall aren't married, then it should only be your house.

I just dealt with a family member and their 15+ year live-in SO breaking up. The family member had probably contributed 95% of the equity in the house but the SO was on the title for 30%. The SO wanted 30% of the equity out.

Just not worth it to put up your money and entitle her to a large portion, IMO.
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