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re: Will Burrow reach Maravich status at LSU?

Posted on 5/2/20 at 8:40 pm to
Posted by Gus007
TN
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Posted on 5/2/20 at 8:40 pm to
Greater than Maravich. He led the greatest college football team in history. 15-0
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
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Posted on 5/2/20 at 9:00 pm to
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Greater than Maravich. He led the greatest college football team in history. 15-0

Absolutely no. Stupid take.
Cannon achieved more in his last 2 years. He won a title, played for another and should have won 2 Heismans.
Cannon lost 1 game (his last) in his final 2 years at LSU and was no doubt the most dominant player in college football for 2 years.

Maravich dominated EVERYONE he played for 4 years. EVERYONE.

He would own LSUs assist lead had he had any talent there his soph and Jr years.

He was bigger than ANYONE ever in college basketball including EVERYONE during that time as far as his popularity. He was on TV, he signed the HIGHEST ever rookie contract.

Burrow had 14 fellow Tigers drafted with him. 4 were on defense in the first 2 rounds and that was controversial IMO because I though that there should have been at least 1 in the first with Fulton or Delpit. But hey it was all about the offense this season EXCEPT when the money time came the last 5-6 games of the season. OU, Clemson, TAMU and Bama felt it. Throw out OM with people sitting and that huge lead that the defense played a part in by stopping OM those first series.
I mean then came the Oline and more defense. So you see, a TEAM won with great coaching and great talent. Cushenberry called plays at the LOS just like Burrow, defensive players called plays.
I mean, I’m not sure what else to say about how football is different than basketball to explain the how dominating an individual like Pete was.
Nearly 1400 points and almost 200 assists in ONE season ONE. It could have been a lot more with a 3 pt line and shot clock with everyone trying to stop him.

THE OPPOSING FANS CARRIED HIM OFF THE COURT!! DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS LIKE?? HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF ANYONE DOING THAT, ANYTHING LIKE THAY IN MAJOR COLLEGE SPORTS?

Many draft experts rated Chase Young higher than him this past draft, but don’t mention that shite on here.

YOU DIDN’T LIVE THEN SO DON’T think you understand what the hype was that surrounded him when he was in school and without social media.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 5/2/20 at 9:48 pm to
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Let’s say burrow fizzles in the NFL (God forbid). Does his status here change from now?

Probably. It’s unfortunate, but that’s the reality. Consider this: in the time Tom Brady has been in the NFL, we have had Rohan, Mauck, JaMarcus, Flynn, the Jefferson/Lee fiasco, Mettenberger, Etling, and Burrow (among others). Granted, Tom Brady’s 20+ year career is not the norm - but it does emphasize how little time we get to watch college athletes play.

Burrow played 2 years at LSU. His first year was good, but certainly not earth-shattering. His second year was the greatest we have ever seen. His NFL career will really determine how he’s remembered 30 years from now, in my opinion.

If he fizzles out he will still be remembered as the best quarterback in LSU history. But if he balls out in the NFL, there’s a much better chance he’s remembered as the best player in LSU history.

(I’m not saying it’s right, I just think that’s the reality of decency bias and short college careers.)
Posted by tigercross
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 5/2/20 at 10:31 pm to
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Maravich dominated EVERYONE he played for 4 years. EVERYONE.


How did he do when he had to play black guys?
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
24667 posts
Posted on 5/2/20 at 10:44 pm to
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Billy Cannon is not close to the numbers of awards won by Joe Burrow in college.

take away the useless awards like Home Depot and Houston club or whatever and instead the meaningful ones.
Two years Jr and Senior for comparison:
LSU Record
1958 - Undefeated National Champion
1959 - Lost 1 game should have been back to back NCs.
Imagine LSU going 2 seasons with 1 loss at the end of the second one? Imagine what social media would have been like???

Heisman? Yep. Should have had 2.
AA first team ? Billy 2-1
SeC firs t team? Billy 2-1
Maxwell Award - JB 1-0. LSU wasn’t integrated and this was really geared towards military schools and more of the East Coast. 1 player from a southern team non-integrated school won the award until all schools were integrated ie the 1970’s and he was from Pennsylvania. Imagine that... interestingly enough AJ McCarron was the first Bama player to win the award with people like Namath and Stabler there. It was a very very east coast biased award.

All those other awards came long after Billy was out of college. Like I said, billy won more awards that were to be won.

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In the future there will be a movie about Joe, it is only a matter of time.

Maybe some YouTube or a SEC short on LSUs season. Not a Hollywood released movie with actors that have won Emmy awards and others.
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You already have a number of youtube fan and professional mini movies on Joe.
. What a joke. Are you kidding me??
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Joe Burrow is by far the best QB LSU has ever seen, and I saw them all since Nelson and seen film on all dating to 1936.
agree and I go back to 1957, but tickets with my dad in the ‘60s and in school from 1968-1972. It is doubtful about this claim unless you were a coach BECAUSE THERE IS NO FILM THAT YOU WILL FIND. Half the shite wasn’t available or in TV.
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Football in that era is totally different, just like basketball today is far different form 1969.

Yeah and basketball was MUCH harder on a 6’5” White player that dominated blacks in the NBA.

Google books about Pete Maravich.. You’ll see.
Google Videos or other players talking about him 40+ years AFTER he retired... Pete Maravich versus any other played from his era and see how many more you find. People today talking about a player that died in the late ‘80’s and last played in 1980. That includes LeBron James knowing his stats in a locker room interview...

LINK

Football in that era is totally different, just



Posted by dailybuck
Member since May 2018
226 posts
Posted on 5/2/20 at 10:50 pm to
Here is a summary of Bill Walton from his sophomore year, where the best players he had on his team were Keith Wilkes & Henry Bibby (good but not super players)

"With Walton playing alongside Henry Bibby, Larry Farmer, Wilkes, Lee and Swen Nater, UCLA finished 14–0 in the Pac 8 Conference.[21]

In the 25-team 1972 NCAA Tournament, UCLA defeated Weber State 90–58. They defeated Long Beach State and Coach Jerry Tarkanian in the Western Regional Final 73–57 to reach the Final Four. Playing 20 minutes due to foul trouble, Walton had 4 points and 12 rebounds in the victory over Weber State, taking only one shot. He had 19 points and 11 rebounds against Long Beach State.[21][22]

In the 1972 Final Four, Walton had 33 points and 21 rebounds, on 11 of 13 shooting and 11 of 12 free-throws, against Louisville in the NCAA Semi-Final, as UCLA won 96–77. In the NCAA Championship game, he had 24 points and 20 rebounds in the Bruins' 81–76 victory over Florida State. Walton was named the 1972 NCAA Basketball Tournament Most Outstanding Player.[22] "LINK

Note him scoring over 20 points and having at least 20 rebounds in both games in the final four. In addition to being a dominating rebounder, he was a great passer. Total player - great scorer, rebounder, passer and defender.

Would also add Jerry West to the list of college players better than Maravich. West was a great scorer and defender. (4 time all star on defense in NBA, which Maravich could never come close to) Here is wiki on West's final season in college "In his final collegiate season (1959–60) West enjoyed several career highs, such as scoring 29.3 points per game, a 134 season-assists, 16.5 rebounds per game, and a shooting average of 50.4% from the field, 76.6% from the free throw line."
This post was edited on 5/3/20 at 12:10 am
Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
12115 posts
Posted on 5/2/20 at 10:54 pm to
Did Maravich lead his team over a top ten or top twenty team.
The SEC was Kentucky and a bunch of give a shite teams in those days. Maravich competition was pretty weak.
I'm no bashing the guy, heck his showmanship forever changed the game of basketball. It was so attractive to the fans they changed the rules to accept palming and carrying the ball.
I don't believe LSU had ever beaten Kentucky until Brown.
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
24667 posts
Posted on 5/2/20 at 11:02 pm to
Ask the players. Here is LeBron talking about him almost 40 years later... they hated him because he had more moves than EVERYONE that played when he entered the league. He also signed the biggest contract ever for a player. The Harlem Globe Trotters offered him 1 Million to play when he came out of college.
Google how he dominated
here is how he make one of the all time great . LINK

Earl The Pearl Monroe: ever heard of him with he the Knicks?

"Pound for pound, ounce for ounce, I've always felt Pete was the most talented basketball player around. Some players are known for their defense or their rebounding. Pete can run, pass, shoot, drive, jump ... he can do it all. He is truly a great talent."

Here is from when he dropped 68 on a top defender at the guard position Walt Frazier.
They all begged to be taken out because he embarrassed them all.


Maravich victimized five different Knicks guards: Walt Frazier; Butch Beard; Earl Monroe; Dean Meminger; and Tickey Burden. Frazier was known as one of the best defenders in the NBA but Maravich averaged 35 points a game in his three previous matchups with Frazier. “We tried everything humanly possible to stop him,” Knicks coach Red Holtzman told The Times-Picayune that night. “We double-teamed him, we tried to have guys help out. We tried trapping him. He was just so darned hot, we couldn’t handle him.”

Bob McAdoo, the Knicks starting center and a three-time NBA scoring champion, said, “He was shooting from everywhere: every corner of the court, fast breaks, set plays. The man beat us by himself."

Knicks guard Earl Monroe: “There was no way we could stop him. The Pistol was hot tonight, he was really going off. The thing that came to mind was that he was hitting shots from everywhere. Unconscionable shots”

Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
24667 posts
Posted on 5/2/20 at 11:14 pm to
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Did Maravich lead his team over a top ten or top twenty team.
The SEC was Kentucky and a bunch of give a shite teams in those days. Maravich competition was pretty weak.
I'm no bashing the guy, heck his showmanship forever changed the game of basketball. It was so attractive to the fans they changed the rules to accept palming and carrying the ball.
I don't believe LSU had ever beaten Kentucky until Brown.
just 1. That second Kentucky loss was heartbreaking because we had them. I was there as a student.
Pete had 64 in that game.

We had ZERO defense. We did win 2/ games and came out second in the SEC. You cannot win many games giving up 100 a game. He was all we had to be honest.

Dale Brown said “Selling basketball at LSU was almost impossible.
Posted by rbdallas
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Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 5/3/20 at 6:35 am to
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Greater than Maravich. He led the greatest college football team in history. 15-0


after I read a dumb post, I look at the "joined date" and yes it falls between 2016-2019 usually
this one 2018

Pete filled not only our "arena" but that of opponents who wanted to see him play....PERIOD People cam for him even more than the game
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
24667 posts
Posted on 5/3/20 at 9:47 am to
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Would also add Jerry West to the list of college players better than Maravich. West was a great scorer and defender. (4 time all star on defense in NBA, which Maravich could never come close to) Here is wiki on West's final season in college "In his final collegiate season (1959–60) West enjoyed several career highs, such as scoring 29.3 points per game, a 134 season-assists, 16.5 rebounds per game, and a shoo

West and Riley were jealous to the point Pete would drop 50 and hold his guy to 16 and they said he wouldn’t defend.

All the players you mentioned played with a ton of first team AA AND HoF coaches. Plus you y’all about a player that plays center (or PF outside of logo who played in the PROS with the greatest player of all time - Chamberlain AND WAS CARRIED BY HoF Elgin fricking Baylor. West was an excellent basketball player. He couldn’t carry Pete’s jock. He was all fundamentals and scoring inside as opposed to a shooter from deep like Maravich.

As far as Walton, google what he said about Pete and his facilitation I’d how GREAT he was. Walton played for freaking John Wooden at a LOADED UCLA who had all the exposure because of the people that came before him.
Yes, he won awards in college. He wouldn’t have won them when Maravich’s team won 22 games and he dropped 1400 with 200 assists to a bunch of white guys with little talent. You just can’t understand FROM THE GUARD POSITION how dominating he was NOBODY BUT OSCAR came close to him.
A 7’ Center like Walton understood how special he was otherwise he wouldn’t have went on and on about him on numerous occasions.
When he commentated LSU games or was there when his son played at LSU, he was obsessive with Maravich. We have met probably 10 times in the L-club before games (and no I wasn’t an athlete but supported the basketball team for many years).

LINK

The Jazz were 0-14 when this game happened and here is Walton said:
“And the Portland Trail Blazers, we go in there, we had a team, not the Championship team, but had a good enough team, and we were pounding them early, way up at halftime. And Pete, in the second half, just takes over. He goes absolutely wild. He plays one against five. And he is up and down the court, shooting jumpers, hooks, full-court behind the back passes, through the guy’s legs. He did just everything. And in the very last play of the game, we are up one, Pete dribbles up, four of our guys go chasing him, because they know he’s not going to pass it, and he is falling out of bounds, and he shoots it as he is tumbling over the row of fans in the corner. And I am standing underneath the basket waiting for the last rebound, if we’re going to win the game, or not going to win the game ever from the New Orleans Jazz. And the ball swishes through the net!”
Posted by tiger81
Brentwood, TN.
Member since Jan 2008
18959 posts
Posted on 5/3/20 at 5:06 pm to
He did fine against the black guys of the NBA. Last white guy to win NBA scoring title. Next question...
Posted by tiger81
Brentwood, TN.
Member since Jan 2008
18959 posts
Posted on 5/3/20 at 5:17 pm to
Tulane had a black player named Harold Sylvester, pretty good defensive player. Pete dropped 66 on him. So much for black players.
Posted by CDawson
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2017
16498 posts
Posted on 5/3/20 at 5:18 pm to
He may have already succeeded it. Burrow was every bit as dominant as the Pistol was in one season.

Throw in the NC and its hard to argue that Burrow is on his own level of greatness.
Posted by EulerRules
Member since Dec 2019
1147 posts
Posted on 5/3/20 at 5:49 pm to
Tiger1988
"The Jazz were 0-14 when this game happened and here is Walton said:..."
I was in the Municipal Auditorium at that game against Portland (first win ever for the Jazz). We were down 23 midway through the 3rd and I turned to my brother, Kenny, and said, "I'll never come to another Jazz game until they prove to me they can win." Then Pete went off. He hit the winning shot from the right corner over Portland's center (I believe it was Lloyd Neal). As Pete fell backwards out of bounds the ball swished through the net. Jazz win 102-101 (just checked; 11/10/1974). For younger Tiger fans, if you could have seen Pete in person, then you would understand his staunch defenders in this thread. All in all, I am ecstatic he, Shaq, and Jeaux were Tigers
This post was edited on 5/3/20 at 6:07 pm
Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
12115 posts
Posted on 5/3/20 at 5:50 pm to
The NBA is a joke. Its entertainment. Its like wrestling. They need superstars to get the the fans to watch.

Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
24667 posts
Posted on 5/3/20 at 6:02 pm to
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He did fine against the black guys of the NBA. Last white guy to win NBA scoring title. Next question...

don’t tell the idiots here that.
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
24667 posts
Posted on 5/3/20 at 6:13 pm to
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He may have already succeeded it. Burrow was every bit as dominant as the Pistol was in one season.

Throw in the NC and its hard to argue that Burrow is on his own level of greatness.


Canon one more awards and lost fewer games went undefeated and won a national championship. Do you think Burrow exceeded Cannon? No. There were 14 draft picks 4 in the first 2 rounds on defense FWIW and Olinemen early mid rounds. That’s how you win. He had a young coach that came over from the Saints and installed a system where Drew Brees is still completing 78% of his passes add age 40. It’s a great system with great players to support him that all work in concert together, He was GREAT in it without doing and the best QB I’ve seen at LSU in my 60 years of listening to and going to games.

But he will never come close to the rock star status of Maravich.

I didn’t see Bama fans carry him off the field. That’s what UGA fans did to Pete - CARRY HIM OFF THE COURT AFTER HE BEAT THEM!!!

Do you people understand?

Google books about Pete and films and Movies . I mean this is YouTube bullshite Y’all call “film”. That fricking shite would have been 24/7 when Pete was alive.

He was a ROCK STAR. So NO, he won’t exceed the Hype that was Pete.
Posted by benoit_BayouBengals
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
2436 posts
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:56 am to
Burrow has passed Maravich status. How many championships did "Pistol" bring to LSU?
Posted by dailybuck
Member since May 2018
226 posts
Posted on 5/4/20 at 3:35 pm to
"West and Riley were jealous to the point Pete would drop 50 and hold his guy to 16 and they said he wouldn’t defend."

You have gone off the deep end here claiming that West was jealous of Maravich. He had absolutely no reason to be jealous in that his accomplishments far outpaced those of Maravich. In the toughest moments against best competition he excelled. For example in the 1969 finals against Boston: "West averaged 38 points during the series and had a triple double in Game 7 (42 points, 13 rebounds, 12 assists). West was named Finals MVP, making him the only Finals MVP from a losing team." LINK

If you are going to quote Bill Walton you may want to look at this interview where he points out the value of a team and is also very complimentary of West's understanding of team building. LINK

Here is a link to a 1978 game that they played against each other. Walton had 19 pts, 14 rebounds, 7 assists and 3 turnovers. Maravich had 18 points, 1 rebound, 3 assists and 10 turnovers. LINK

I do want to add that Maravich was a great player, but that calling him the best college player of all time is a stretch.
This post was edited on 5/4/20 at 6:11 pm
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