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re: Was last night a wasted 4 quarters of development for our young offense?
Posted on 9/14/14 at 9:34 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 9/14/14 at 9:34 am to SlowFlowPro
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this script has been written every year except 2007 and last year
we don't practice things just like this in real games against our shite competition
later in the year, we don't run it when we desperately have to against legit competition...leading to losses or ugly scrape-by wins
the narrative then becomes, "well we have a young offense and didn't have time to work on that this year"
it's the whole #SecretPlaybook stuff from the Crowton era...every year...over and over
I agree. While I don't believe Les is "calling the plays" the offensive philosophy is certainly 100% his. Last year was an anomaly. Was it because LSU had great skill players? Or was it because he felt shootouts were the way the 2013 team had to win games? Who knows? However, over the span of 3 different OCs and 4 QBs we have virtually seen the same thing on offense. There's one common denominator.
The playcalling is very predictable. All you have to do is look at the personnel groups and you'll have a pretty good idea of what's coming. The "hurry up" is almost ALWAYS a 2nd down toss-dive. There's no "holding back for SEC play". This IS the offense. The only time they expand from the usual very vanilla playcalling is when they absolutely have to. It's why under Les LSU has been a great comeback team.
As far as last night, I like AJ as the starting QB, but if you're going to play Harris, let him air it out a bit. It's a waste of time to have him come in and just hand-off to run out the clock.
Why wait until the game is in hand to stick Magee in? I think Williams has earn a few carries at the TB spot. We know what Magee can do.
Your defense was suffocating last night, why not let your offense take a few chances at attacking the middle of the field? A mistake would not have killed you. Better last night than against SEC competition
Look, Les has been great. I certainly don't want him to leave LSU. Nevertheless, though early on it looks like you've got some pretty talented guys on offense, you can see the same 2-3 loss script on offense being written.
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Posted on 9/14/14 at 9:34 am to jrodLSUke
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We controlled the line and established field position all night.
"all night"? are you ignoring the first half?
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And why is aTm's system your gold standard?
where did i say it was?
Posted on 9/14/14 at 9:34 am to monsterballads
Why can't we power run out of ACE or shotgun like Bama does? Like SFP said, I-form is archaic. NFL teams seldomly run it anymore. I can't think of another pro-style college football team that runs it as often as lsu does.
This post was edited on 9/14/14 at 9:35 am
Posted on 9/14/14 at 9:35 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:There's only one problem with your argument: It's bull shite. We've won 10+ games the past four seasons, during only one of which did we have "3-4 SEC losses at a minimum." And that was last year - probably our most creative and productive offensive year. Our system hasn't changed.
if you're hanging your hat on our ability to just line up, overpower people, and then bully them for wins out of i-form, then you're pushing for a system that will lead to 3-4 SEC losses at a min
Posted on 9/14/14 at 9:35 am to Coach in Waiting
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I guess the Saints, the Packers, the Seahawks, the Fourty Niners and all the other NFL teams that use a fullback should stop too.
yes because their offense are so similar to ours
Posted on 9/14/14 at 9:36 am to Samso
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Imagine being the opposing team studying film of the LSU offense
like i said last night. a friend of mine was on the mcneese staff when LSU played them a few years ago
our trends were easily discovered. and they embarassed us that year (16-10 at halftime)
Posted on 9/14/14 at 9:36 am to Alt26
quote:Winning?
There's one common denominator.
Posted on 9/14/14 at 9:37 am to Patrick_Bateman
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There's only one problem with your argument: It's bull shite.
yes, we're just going to line up and overpower Alabama. That should go over well
Posted on 9/14/14 at 9:37 am to Samso
I have to believe were saving a totally different offense for the SEC slate of games. I'll just keep telling myself that.
Posted on 9/14/14 at 9:37 am to SlowFlowPro
We won't wear down Sec defenses with the running game, plain and simple. The O-Line won't improve much until we actually become a threat with screens, and the short pass. It almost looks like they never practiced screens. Throwing bullets at the back of the RB's helmet is ugly ! 
Posted on 9/14/14 at 9:38 am to SlowFlowPro
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What has aTm done to become a "measuring stick"? they've had a lot more success recently,
Relative to who? Because they have not been more successful than LSU and our 'outdated' system.
Posted on 9/14/14 at 9:38 am to Alt26
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There's no "holding back for SEC play". This IS the offense. The only time they expand from the usual very vanilla playcalling is when they absolutely have to.
which is funny b/c our best year under les was 2011, and we didn't do this. our D/ST bailed out the offense and would give us gamechanging plays
when that luck didn't pan out, we were in bad positions (most notably in the title game when our offense did NOTHING)
Posted on 9/14/14 at 9:39 am to jrodLSUke
No they haven't been more successful than LSU.
But they ARE rolling this year
But they ARE rolling this year
Posted on 9/14/14 at 9:39 am to jrodLSUke
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Relative to who?
TAMU
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Because they have not been more successful than LSU and our 'outdated' system.
they're playing catch up to LSU right now. their new staff is only in their 3rd year this year, right?
This post was edited on 9/14/14 at 9:40 am
Posted on 9/14/14 at 9:39 am to SlowFlowPro
Here is my theory.... Les basis everything around turnovers so if he can play conservative and beat a team he will especially a less talented team like ULM. The greatest single factor in upsets is the turnover margin and Les would rather be unprepared for the Alabamas than get upset by any less talented team. He's "10 win Les" for a reason and that is because he doesn't take chances against lesser opponents and that usually leads to unprepared offenses against good opponents which lead to the 2-3 losses a year.
Posted on 9/14/14 at 9:41 am to SlowFlowPro
Why can't we recruit Maucks, Flynns, JRs and Metts? Why do we insist on recruiting runners at the QB position. We get the best in every position but QBs
This post was edited on 9/14/14 at 9:44 am
Posted on 9/14/14 at 9:41 am to BGSB
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The O-Line won't improve much until we actually become a threat with screens, and the short pass. It almost looks like they never practiced screens
screens this year are amazing
screens work when teams blitz. screens are offset plays for passing plays, hoping you get 6 guys upfield behind the RB
we're running screens without passing the ball
Posted on 9/14/14 at 9:43 am to boxcar willie
quote:Possibly losing to one team = "3-4 SEC losses at a minimum"?
yes, we're just going to line up and overpower Alabama. That should go over well
Posted on 9/14/14 at 9:44 am to Ryno_Kill
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He's "10 win Les" for a reason and that is because he doesn't take chances against lesser opponents and that usually leads to unprepared offenses against good opponents which lead to the 2-3 losses a year.
what...
is there any statistical correlation that shows that teams who blow away lesser opponents have a better record against Bama?
Posted on 9/14/14 at 9:44 am to blades8088
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Why can't we recruit Maucks, Flynns, and JRs and Metts? Why do we insist on recruiting runners at the QB position.
your first list contains 3 mobile QBs
but yes les's tenure has been a shite show in terms of recruiting HS QBs. it was amazing to get mett, but mett had 2 years under great QB developers before even coming here. les has not developed 1 young QB in his ENTIRE 9 year tenure here
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