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re: Was last night a wasted 4 quarters of development for our young offense?

Posted on 9/14/14 at 8:52 am to
Posted by tigerfoot
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Posted on 9/14/14 at 8:52 am to
We were too vanilla IMO, but to act as if these games are some sort of practice session is kinda lame. We have weeks and weeks of practice to, well, practice.

We don't do some things well, just like every team in America.

We have a young offense, and they are getting a ton of reps. In practice. And at the end of the year, we will still play like a young offense cause that is what we are......
Posted by Rouge
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Posted on 9/14/14 at 8:52 am to
Oregon develops the frick out of their young talent. Seems to help when it counts
Posted by MoreOrLes
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Posted on 9/14/14 at 8:53 am to
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I think there was opportunity. I am not a believer in the super secret play BOOK but I do think they are setting up state just a bit.why else would they run 2 tight end sets that much? I seriously think they will be passing out of those formations this week.


Either this or the coaches know its not a very good team.

The Oline has been a huge disappointment thus far and was supposed to be the strength of the team. Last night looked like a Jordan Jefferson offense 2.0.
I did not see Jennings, look off a safety or turn his head as if he were going through progressions one time last night. He was locked on to primary who if covered than he ran. Very frustrating.

As much as the O seems to be lack lustre the D seems to be well coached ands improving. Equally frustrating for the view/development of the whole team.
Posted by The Pirate King
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Posted on 9/14/14 at 8:54 am to
When I said down, I mean we understand the concepts and can at least execute it. Jennings has no pocket presence which will only get worse in SEC play.

He's going to take some serious shots due to o line struggles and his lack of awareness. Not saying he can't get better, but as of now it's bad. That run he had last night where he escaped the sack for a 20 yard run will never happen against an SEC team.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/14/14 at 8:54 am to
they saints don't use a FB the majority of plays, bro

the seahawks use multiple WR formations also and a slight bit of zone-read

the 49ers run a ton of zone-read without a RB and 2-3 WRs...plus tons of pistol (which is a single-back offense)

look at CFB

look at the NFL

tell me that i-form is a modern offensive system as a primary offense
This post was edited on 9/14/14 at 8:55 am
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 9/14/14 at 8:54 am to
The Saints and 49rs actually have TEs and FBs that can make plays.

How often do the Saints run the I-form with 2 stationary TEs, 1 WR, and no motion? Never.

Posted by lob1284
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Posted on 9/14/14 at 8:55 am to
Yes you can look at it that way, but at least acknowledge that we pretty much do this once a season against one of the cupcakes where we run the same 6 plays the whole game. Doubt it's a coincidence it occurred before the SEC opener. I know your point is we can't afford to do it this year with so many young guys, we'll find out next week how valid that is.

They are definitely setting a few plays up. I can almost promise you next week when Hilliard is at fullback and LF is at RB in the I formation that they are going to fake the belly to Hilliard and flip it out to LF for a sweep.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/14/14 at 8:56 am to
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we'll find out next week how valid that is.

mississippi state is not a measuring stick

if they are, we're terrible

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They are definitely setting a few plays up. I can almost promise you next week when Hilliard is at fullback and LF is at RB in the I formation that they are going to fake the belly to Hilliard and flip it out to LF for a sweep.

i mean i get it, but if THAT is the play we're setting up then i don't think that giving up 1 whole game for a likely 5-6 yard gain is efficient
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 9/14/14 at 8:56 am to
I will say this sbout Jennings. He definitely commands the huddle well. Cant think of 1 delay penslty or an instance where he looked flustered before the play.
Posted by Jaydeaux
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Posted on 9/14/14 at 8:56 am to
Yep you caught the staff once again. I'm all for Miles to MI and the rant coaches by committee
Posted by Choupique19
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Posted on 9/14/14 at 8:57 am to
We worked the heck out of the fullback belly.
Posted by rutiger
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Posted on 9/14/14 at 8:58 am to
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I did not see Jennings, look off a safety or turn his head as if he were going through progressions one time last night. He was locked on to primary who if covered than he ran. Very frustrating.


Tough to go through prgressions when the o line isnt blocking or there is only 1 wr running a route.
Posted by JustLSUit
North Carolina
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Posted on 9/14/14 at 8:58 am to
IMHO I really think they wanted to try different things lastnight. Didn't look like we wanted to try anything fancy at all, we didn't need to. We will be a different team next week.
#Dontbelievemejustwatch
Posted by ForeLSU
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Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 9/14/14 at 8:59 am to
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we don't practice things just like this in real games against our shite competition


because it's not practice, it's a game. Successfully running a play against shite competition really isn't indicative of it working against better competition. If it isn't successful vs. LSU's D in practice, you won't see it in actual games.
Posted by CharlesLSU
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 9/14/14 at 8:59 am to
Disagree a bit on the basis of what Les already knows (that they can execute the plays from other formations) and allowing their first SEC opponent to scheme on these formations.

We will indeed see a more diverse offense next weekend.
Posted by The Pirate King
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Posted on 9/14/14 at 8:59 am to
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mississippi state is not a measuring stick


According to the rant, we were waiting for the SEC schedule to open up the secret playbook only seen in closed scrimmages and practices. Expect to see 5-Wide, zone read, and HUNH.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/14/14 at 9:00 am to
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According to the rant, we were waiting for the SEC schedule to open up the secret playbook only seen in closed scrimmages and practices. Expect to see 5-Wide, zone read, and HUNH.

i've heard this quite a few times in les's tenure

the number of times it has come to fruition: 0
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
22375 posts
Posted on 9/14/14 at 9:00 am to
I think the I form could be effecetive with one of our other talented RBs at FB.

I sctually think Magee would be best fit. He is built like a bowling ball. He is an excellent blocker, good runner, and an excellent receiver. He would be s matchup problem for opposing defenses.
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
22375 posts
Posted on 9/14/14 at 9:02 am to
quote:

According to the rant, we were waiting for the SEC schedule to open up the secret playbook only seen in closed scrimmages and practices. Expect to see 5-Wide, zone read, and HUNH. i've heard this quite a few times in les's tenure the number of times it has come to fruition: 0


Disagree. In Mett's 1st yr as a starter we never ran play action until the Bama game when we ran it like crazy.
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 9/14/14 at 9:02 am to
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1. We have very talented WRs that can run after catch. 2. We have an avg at best QB that needs easy throws. 3. They are basically extended handoffs so they still wear out defenses like running plays. 4. AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, It allows us to utilize our superior players.


It also spreads the defense and opens up the running game...what our staff wants to do anyway so why not do the things that make it easier to do so
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