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re: Unfrickingbelievable!!!!!!!
Posted on 9/16/08 at 11:10 pm to Flamefighter
Posted on 9/16/08 at 11:10 pm to Flamefighter
We've got to expect this with 3 'cupcake' games. Maybe '2' is ok. I'm sure we have the toughest schedule in the nation the rest of the way through. We play 5 'top 10' teams.
Posted on 9/16/08 at 11:13 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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My point is historically USC is elite. Thus they re-joined the elite. Historically, although a very good team, LSU is not. They they joined, not re-joined.
Last time you guys were "a consistent top 5 team in the hunt year after year" was back in the 70's, when y'all finished in the Top 10 six times. We weren't too shabby in the 70's ourselves, finishing #7, #11, #11, and #13 (in fact, USC played us in the 70's and only barely beat us at the last minute 17-12).
Y'all did alright in the 80's (finishing #7, #8, #10, #11, #14, #15, #18, which is pretty much the same thing we did in the 80's (finishing #5, #10, #11, #15, #19, #20). We played USC in the 80's as well, and beat y'all 23-3.
In the 90's, y'all finished #20 in 1990 and #23 in 1992, #13 in 1994 and #12 in 1995. As for LSU, we finished #12 in 1996 and #13 in 1997.
In the 2000's, like I explained above, Carroll brought y'all back to an elite program, same time Saban brought us back to an elite program.
Now, after refreshing you on history, do you still think your quote here applies to LSU fans any more than it does to USC fans:
"LSU has recently joined the elite. Whether they remain is to be seen. But either way, many [LSU] fans have yet to learn how to handle it."
Besides, you can't help but admit that it makes you sound snobby and aloof.
Posted on 9/16/08 at 11:24 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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LSU does schedule weakly [when it comes to OOC games].
Yes, this year, it ended up that way, unfortunately. But we try to always schedule one OOC team from one of the big 5 conferences...
2009 -- Washington
2008 -- [none]
2007 -- Virginia Tech
2006 -- Arizona
2005 -- Arizona State
2004 -- Oregon State
2003 -- Arizona
2002 -- Virginia Tech
Posted on 9/16/08 at 11:34 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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Either way, the SEC road is much tougher than ANY conference. But, of course, I cannot leave without saying USC schedules tougher OOC games by far and (I understand the reasoning for both the SEC abd USC OOC schedules and the estimated ratio of strong: weak teams).
WTF, Tell me oh kind shrue, When was the last time VA was Tough? How about OSU? dont forget they got hammered in the last 2 NC games as well as getting beat by Ill. (says alot about the big 10) Notre Dame???? How about Idaho? I heard they were tough. Nebraska since the late 90S. Arkansas? and before u say it, yeah they beat us last year but we admit that they werent a strong team.
Posted on 9/16/08 at 11:41 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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I believe I said LSU schedules more weakly. I suppose our defintion of the verb "schedules" differs. Unless you are saying LSU chooses (my definition of schedule in this particular case) which SEC teams they play each year, then, at least with my def., USC "schedules" stonger games (the OOC gamess). I realize LSU has tough SEC games by choosing to stay in the SEC. I see your point. But if the SEC "ever" (haha) has a few down years, I don't think LSU will be knocking on the door of a tough conference to play tough opponents. They might schedule some tougher OOC foes though. But for now, they "choose" (schedules- my def) to play much less worthy foes. With that being said, I do understand why--IC schedule is the toughest in the land for many SEC teams. But I also understand the fans frustration with those OOC games
USC is forced to schedule better OOC teams than elite SEC powerhouses do because USC plays in a conference where they are the only elite powerhouse. If the table was reversed and the Pac-10 was the conference loaded with several elite powerhouse programs and the SEC just had one elite powerhouse program, then USC would be scheduling easier OOC teams and the one powerhouse team in the weak SEC would be scheduling harder OOC teams to try and stay legit.
But really, if a team in a one-powerhouse conference isn't scheduling other powerhouses in their OOC schedule, that's pretty weak. Y'all did a great job scheduling Ohio State. That makes y'all look legit. If y'all did that every year, people would never have a problem with y'all. It just sucks when you guys play a whole schedule without playing any other powerhouse programs like most of the other powerhouse programs have to do.
This post was edited on 9/16/08 at 11:47 pm
Posted on 9/17/08 at 12:01 am to Flamefighter
Chill out guys. Whenever anyone starts harping on OOC, it means they are a USC / PAC-10 fan. The only thing that matters is strength of schedule. whether the teams you play are in or out of your conference doesn't mean diddly. But USC got burned on SOS a few years back so now they harp on OOC. because thats all they can harp on. It's marketing pure and simple.
You want to know the real reason we schedule cupcakes for most OOC games? It's not because we like to pad our stats (though thats fun). It's not because we need the warm-up games before the SEC schedule. It's because we get money! We need 7-8 home games a year. Fill up Tiger Stadium, sell lots of tickets, snacks, and advertising. We love that Saturday night in Death Vally! Now, SEC teams and most non-cupcake teams insist that you play in thier stadium too. fair is fair. The only way you can consistantly have >50% of your games at home is to pay some lower level teams to come in and be the Washington Generals to our Globetrotters. If USC or Ohio or any 'tough OOC opponent' was willing to play in Tiger Stadium for the same payoff that North Texas gets without insisting on a return home game, I am sure the athletic department would be happy to schedule them every year.
So now you know.
-Rob
You want to know the real reason we schedule cupcakes for most OOC games? It's not because we like to pad our stats (though thats fun). It's not because we need the warm-up games before the SEC schedule. It's because we get money! We need 7-8 home games a year. Fill up Tiger Stadium, sell lots of tickets, snacks, and advertising. We love that Saturday night in Death Vally! Now, SEC teams and most non-cupcake teams insist that you play in thier stadium too. fair is fair. The only way you can consistantly have >50% of your games at home is to pay some lower level teams to come in and be the Washington Generals to our Globetrotters. If USC or Ohio or any 'tough OOC opponent' was willing to play in Tiger Stadium for the same payoff that North Texas gets without insisting on a return home game, I am sure the athletic department would be happy to schedule them every year.
So now you know.
-Rob
Posted on 9/17/08 at 12:54 am to truthbetold
clearly that person is jealous. pollsters don't have to think about OOC with LSU when they play UGA/FL/AU all in the same season.. LSU will determine their fate regardless what cupcakes they play.. so he can suck a dick and continue hating.
Posted on 9/17/08 at 1:04 am to coonass27
quote:It was comparative degree... "er".
WTF, Tell me oh kind shrue, When was the last time VA was Tough?
quote:The last year USC beat Arkansas they were the SEC West rep. in the SECCG ya knucklehead.
Arkansas? and before u say it, yeah they beat us last year but we admit that they werent a strong team.
Posted on 9/17/08 at 3:05 am to Flamefighter
Last year the so called experts from espn and fox were creaming over App St victory over the great big 10's michigan - about how on any given saturday a team like App St could upset any Div I team. This year App St is a cream puff - just sayin'.
Posted on 9/17/08 at 3:15 am to skinny domino
I think we have the hardest remaining schedule.
#9 Alabama
#7 Texas
#4 Florida
#10 Auburn
Kentucky
Ole Miss
Tulsa
South Carolina
Miss State
#5 LSU
We could be 2-10 or 3-9
#9 Alabama
#7 Texas
#4 Florida
#10 Auburn
Kentucky
Ole Miss
Tulsa
South Carolina
Miss State
#5 LSU
We could be 2-10 or 3-9
This post was edited on 9/17/08 at 3:16 am
Posted on 9/17/08 at 5:05 am to LSUzealot
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These teams may all look strong, but pollsters might want to think twice before inviting them to a BCS bowl. Why? Because their schedules just aren't cutting it. Take LSU, for starters. The Tigers' recipe for a national championship: Schedule the cupcake champ and get a TV deal with ESPN. Talk up Troy. Beat the stuffing out of North Texas. Start the "tough path" talk before you lose to an overrated SEC team. Barely stay with Tulane in the first half, then blow them away in the second. Play 75 percent of your games at home. Lose to another mediocre SEC team and repeat the "tough path" whine. Beat the frick out of the #2 team in the championship. Hoist crystal trophy.
Chris Graythen - Getty Images
fixed
Posted on 9/17/08 at 5:48 am to Flamefighter
What is unbelievable that LSU still probably plays more ranked teams than anybody else in the country. All the ESPN or FOX experts are ignoring that fact because they are all kissing up to USC.
Posted on 9/17/08 at 5:52 am to Fighting Tigers
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USC is forced to schedule better OOC teams than elite SEC powerhouses do because USC plays in a conference where they are the only elite powerhouse. If the table was reversed and the Pac-10 was the conference loaded with several elite powerhouse programs and the SEC just had one elite powerhouse program, then USC would be scheduling easier OOC teams and the one powerhouse team in the weak SEC would be scheduling harder OOC teams to try and stay legit.
USC was scheduling like this even when they did not "have" to because of computers and the BCS.
Posted on 9/17/08 at 5:54 am to M. A. Ryland
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Chill out guys. Whenever anyone starts harping on OOC, it means they are a USC / PAC-10 fan.
IWhat about the many LSU fans here who complain as well?
Posted on 9/17/08 at 9:44 am to LSUTANGERINE
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USC was scheduling like this even when they did not "have" to because of computers and the BCS.
The polls have been around long before the BCS, which is itself based the polls. Pollsters always considered strength of schedule and if teams like USC didn't schedule some opponents from other big conferences, they wouldn't get respected in the polls enough to have a shot at the top 5.
Posted on 9/17/08 at 9:48 am to Soopatigafan
What really pisses me off is, they are implying that LSU used that "formula" last year. At least, to an extent (they imply 2 losses).
In 2007, nobody played and beat more top 15 teams than LSU. LSU was 5-0 against top 15 teams last year. As a measure of comparison, USC was 0-0.
They might have something of a point in 2008, but they need to get educated about 2007.
In 2007, nobody played and beat more top 15 teams than LSU. LSU was 5-0 against top 15 teams last year. As a measure of comparison, USC was 0-0.
They might have something of a point in 2008, but they need to get educated about 2007.
Posted on 9/17/08 at 10:27 am to SuperD AP
Chris Graythen only took the picture, he didn't write the story.
Posted on 9/17/08 at 10:30 am to jhoff247
USC usually schedules at least one powerhouse school, now it's now there fault that they destroy the teams...They just seem to always frick up a game in conference which has screwed them the last 2 years
osu, arky, auburn, nebraska...
osu, arky, auburn, nebraska...
Posted on 9/17/08 at 10:43 am to Hollywood7 Tiger
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it's true you whiners
No, it's completely false.
Are #2 Georgia, #4 Florida, #8 Alabama and #9 Auburn true too? Or are they just mirages to you ?????
Your team meanwhile, got shut out by 8 TD's to a
Mountain West team......
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