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Posted on 9/16/08 at 9:08 pm to
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge LA
Member since Sep 2006
36113 posts
Posted on 9/16/08 at 9:08 pm to
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That is a far more rational and justifiable conclusion than describing every post on a college sports board that involves SC -- generally one of the highest ranked teams in college football the last several years -- as "an obsession with Southern Cal."


I use the word obsession far less than some LSU diehards here. Even they pick up on it.
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge LA
Member since Sep 2006
36113 posts
Posted on 9/16/08 at 9:09 pm to
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That may or may not be true. But what is undeniably true is that all of the LSU fans on this board have learned what none of the SC fans on this board have -- how to "deal" with it enough to stay on our own teams' boards.


Yeah, there are NEVER any LSU fans from this site frequenting USC boards.
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12507 posts
Posted on 9/16/08 at 9:10 pm to
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I agree. LSU does have a weak OOC schedule, just as USC has a weak (not as weak) IC schedule
Well, you're halfway to acceptance of reality. Now if you can just acknowlege that as the weak part of SC's schedule constitutes 75% of their games, and the weak part of LSU's schedule constitutes 33% of our games, the balance effect is clearly that LSU schedules tougher schedules than SC does. Which, of course, contradicts the false conclusions of every single article ever written about SEC teams having weak OOC schedules.

Once you can come to grips with that and simply acknowlege that we take the tougher road while SC chooses to skate by on an easier slate, then I think you will be much closer to letting go of your angst and envy of LSU and its fans. Who knows; at this rate, you might even be able to tear yourself away from this for minutes, perhaps even hours at a time!

Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge LA
Member since Sep 2006
36113 posts
Posted on 9/16/08 at 9:13 pm to
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Well, you're halfway to acceptance of reality. Now if you can just acknowlege that as the weak part of SC's schedule constitutes 75% of their games, and the weak part of LSU's schedule constitutes 33% of our games,


If ALL of those PAC 10 teams were weak, why do they keep beating the SEC? SO ALL of the SEC is strong? No weak teams?
Posted by Fighting Tigers
Member since Aug 2008
2167 posts
Posted on 9/16/08 at 9:13 pm to
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Apparently, you do not know CF history. Check out wins, bowl wins, wins against top 5, 10, 20 teams.


???

Before Carroll, last time you guys were a perennial Top 25 was in 1995. It wasn't until 2002 when you guys re-entered the top 25 (Carroll's second year). What don't you get?
This post was edited on 9/16/08 at 9:16 pm
Posted by White Tiger
Dallas
Member since Jul 2007
12830 posts
Posted on 9/16/08 at 9:15 pm to
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LSU does schedule weakly. The only games they schedule are OOC games. Others are set.


Are you kidding me? This year our OOC is weak, if you will, but check with UM first. It seems justifiable considering that LSU and other SEC teams play more ranked opponents than the Trogenz.

Let's see. SC plays Stanford, UCLA, Washington, Oregon State, Oregon, ND... you get the idea. Maybe we will get a better gauge of the PAC10 v. SEC after Saturday's match up of ASU and UGA.

Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12507 posts
Posted on 9/16/08 at 9:16 pm to
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Myth...prollem is we won't schedule a home and home with them
Actually, no. We will schedule a home and home with many of them, but we are apparently very particular about some of the terms, like who visits first and how much money is involved. Although we are travelling to Washington first, so I guess the real "myth" is that we don't play BCS conference teams away from home. Of course, only a blithering idiot would make such a ridiculous suggestion about a team that has played at Arizona, at Virginia Tech and at Arizona State, just in the last few years.

I wrote a lengthy post on this a while back, pointing out that since we have indeed made road trips to play BCS conference teams, it absolutely cannot be the case that we refuse to do so. Thus, to the extent such games are not being played, it can only be the result of those teams we are not playing being unwilling to play us with the deals Va. Tech, Arizona and ASU made.

That doesn't mean they are afraid or anything; it just might mean their ADs are as greedy as ours and neither of them is willing to give up enough of the money to reach a deal.

Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge LA
Member since Sep 2006
36113 posts
Posted on 9/16/08 at 9:17 pm to
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Before Carroll, last time you guys were a perennial Top 25 was in 1995. It wasn't until 2002 when you guys re-entered the top 25 (Carroll's second year). What don't you get?


My point is historically USC is elite. Thus they re-joined the elite. Historically, although a very good team, LSU is not. They they joined, not re-joined.
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge LA
Member since Sep 2006
36113 posts
Posted on 9/16/08 at 9:22 pm to
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Are you kidding me? This year our OOC is weak,


I already know and admit that the SEC IC schedule is much more demanding. But LSU typically does schedule OOC weakly--not "just" this year.

since 1990.

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Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge LA
Member since Sep 2006
36113 posts
Posted on 9/16/08 at 9:24 pm to
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Once you can come to grips with that and simply acknowlege that we take the tougher road while SC chooses to skate by on an easier slate,


I have always acknowledged that. ANother incorrect assumption on your part because you are blinded by the team I support.
Posted by loweralabamatrojan
Lower Alabama
Member since Oct 2006
13136 posts
Posted on 9/16/08 at 9:24 pm to
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Which, of course, contradicts the false conclusions of every single article ever written about SEC teams having weak OOC schedules.


First off USC fans in general have no reason whatsoever to envy LSU fans as far as the excellence of the program, traditions or rich history of success on the national stage.

We've won plenty of National Titles and not just in the BCS era, but for many years before that.

Those of us that frequent this board, with one or two exceptions, generally acknowledge that LSU is right up there with us in this day and age in terms of football excellence.

We admire LSU's football program, and enjoy watching good football teams like our own.

This is not to say that we do not desire to meet you on the field and prove to you and your SEC conference proponents that we are better than you, because we would very much like and enjoy that opportunity.

But we do respect your program.

I can't speak for every USC fan that posts here, but I enjoy American freedom of speech and discourse with those fans of other teams (which obviously includes LSU) that post here.

It's a great message board and very well run.

IMHO the best thing about college football is the interaction between fans of different teams.

And the Rantards are funny.
Posted by GMoney2600
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
14129 posts
Posted on 9/16/08 at 9:33 pm to
LSU has one year of utter pathetic OOC scheduling and everyone across the nation jumps all over us. It's like an inverted USC schedule(they get it for in conference).
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12507 posts
Posted on 9/16/08 at 9:35 pm to
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LSU does schedule weakly. The only games they schedule are OOC games. Others are set.
No, LSU schedules 12 games every season. Here's a list, see? Games LSU has scheduled for 2008

Most of those games (8, to be exact) were scheduled through the use of a conference, a group of schools with sports teams who join together for many reasons, including (but no limited to) the facilitation of scheduling games. This is a technique utilized by the vast majority of teams in NCAA Division 1A (but not all; cf, Notre Dame). By joining a conference, a team chooses to set aside a large portion of its games every season to play against the pool of opponents in its conference. This greatly eases the struggle to find opponents year after year by allowing most of the games to be set according to a routine procedure, leaving just a few games (usually about 4 or 5) every year that have to be filled by contacting other teams, negotiating terms, arranging dates, matching schedules, etc., etc.

So the schedule each year is comprised of the 7 or 8 (or so) teams from the conference chosen by the school (in LSU's case, from the SEC), and another 4 or so chosen from the rest of the teams as scheduling, money and other factors allow. The end result is a schedule of 12 teams chosen by various processes to comprise the schedule of a Division 1A (or FBS, if you must) football team.

If this explaination seems a bit condescending, I apologize. I felt the basic nature of it necessary in view of your apparent misunderstanding that teams in the NCAA are forced by some sort of legal mandate to play a certain number of games against teams from a certain conference chosen for them against their will without any recourse for the team to change. That is not the case, as schools are free to choose whether or not to be in a certain conference, and in many cases have chosen to actually switch conferences (cf., Miami, Boston College, South Carolina, Arkansas, Louisville, Cincinnatti, etc.). So I wanted to explain to you that, yes, teams -- including LSU and SC -- do schedule all their games by choice, even the conference ones.

Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12507 posts
Posted on 9/16/08 at 9:36 pm to
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If ALL of those PAC 10 teams were weak, why do they keep beating the SEC? SO ALL of the SEC is strong? No weak teams?
Oh, okay. So you want to make the argument that the Pac 10 conference schedule is as tough as an SEC conference schedule? Go ahead. Be my guest.

Posted by White Tiger
Dallas
Member since Jul 2007
12830 posts
Posted on 9/16/08 at 9:37 pm to
So there!
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge LA
Member since Sep 2006
36113 posts
Posted on 9/16/08 at 9:38 pm to
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This post was edited on 9/16/08 at 9:39 pm
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge LA
Member since Sep 2006
36113 posts
Posted on 9/16/08 at 9:41 pm to
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Oh, okay. So you want to make the argument that the Pac 10 conference schedule is as tough as an SEC conference schedule? Go ahead. Be my guest.


I have never stated nor implied that. In fact, I have stated, may times over, that the SEC is much tougher gig.

My point is that the PAC is not as weak (well maybe this year) as many here would like it to be.

Disclaimer: This, or any, post by LSUTangerine neither states nor implies that the PAC-10 or any other college football conference is stronger than the SEC as a whole. Responsibility for such interpretations will lie solely with the reader or responder if he or she chooses to make such an interpretation. LSUTangerine shall not be held liable for any such interpretation.
This post was edited on 9/16/08 at 9:46 pm
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge LA
Member since Sep 2006
36113 posts
Posted on 9/16/08 at 9:45 pm to
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So the schedule each year is comprised of the 7 or 8 (or so) teams from the conference chosen by the school (in LSU's case, from the SEC), and another 4 or so chosen from the rest of the teams as scheduling, money and other factors allow. The end result is a schedule of 12 teams chosen by various processes to comprise the schedule of a Division 1A (or FBS, if you must) football team.


LSU chooses exactly which SEC teams to play? (i.e., schedules them)
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12507 posts
Posted on 9/16/08 at 9:47 pm to
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I have always acknowledged that.
Oh really?
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LSU does schedule weakly. The only games they schedule are OOC games. Others are set.
I guess I missed the post where you said, "SC schedules ever MORE weakly."

Posted by twall5104
Huntigndon, tn
Member since Sep 2008
25 posts
Posted on 9/16/08 at 9:48 pm to
Let SC play LSU schedule, they become a 3 loss team.
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