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re: Unfrickingbelievable!!!!!!!
Posted on 9/16/08 at 9:49 pm to LSUTANGERINE
Posted on 9/16/08 at 9:49 pm to LSUTANGERINE
It's pretty obvious the PAC 10 is down this year, and the MWC has bragging rights over the PAC 10.
Still, as previously stated, the PAC will do no worse than .500 vs. the SEC on the field this season unless the PAC 10 champ loses to the SEC Champ in the BCS title game: Could it happen?
Stay tuned...
Still, as previously stated, the PAC will do no worse than .500 vs. the SEC on the field this season unless the PAC 10 champ loses to the SEC Champ in the BCS title game: Could it happen?
Stay tuned...
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Posted on 9/16/08 at 9:54 pm to Hollywood7 Tiger
you ever thought that its a tune up for confernce play which the goal of each year is to win your confernce each year?
Posted on 9/16/08 at 9:56 pm to King Joey
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Oh really?
You missed the other 100x I stated the SEC is by far the toughest.
quote:
guess I missed the post where you said, "SC schedules ever MORE weakly
I believe I said LSU schedules more weakly. I suppose our defintion of the verb "schedules" differs. Unless you are saying LSU chooses (my definition of schedule in this particular case) which SEC teams they play each year, then, at least with my def., USC "schedules" stonger games (the OOC gamess). I realize LSU has tough SEC games by choosing to stay in the SEC. I see your point. But if the SEC "ever" (haha) has a few down years, I don't think LSU will be knocking on the door of a tough conference to play tough opponents. They might schedule some tougher OOC foes though. But for now, they "choose" (schedules- my def) to play much less worthy foes. With that being said, I do understand why--IC schedule is the toughest in the land for many SEC teams. But I also understand the fans frustration with those OOC games.
This post was edited on 9/16/08 at 10:00 pm
Posted on 9/16/08 at 10:00 pm to LSUTANGERINE
quote:Yes. The 8 games we have scheduled against other SEC teams for the next however many years were set out in 2002 (the year of the realignment when we did away with one of the perennial cross-divisional opponents). We agreed to:
LSU chooses exactly which SEC teams to play? (i.e., schedules them)
Six perennial opponents 2002 through whenever: Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Florida
Two remaining opponents --
2002: Kentucky, South Carolina
2003: South Carolina, Georgia
2004: Georgia, Vanderbilt
2005: Vanderbilt, Tennessee
2006: Tennessee, Kentucky
2007: Kentucky, South Carolina
and repeat cycle however many times are left on the contract.
These 8 conference games every year were scheduled by LSU by our decision to go along with the realingment plan. The 8 conference games every year from 1992-2001 were scheduled by LSU by our decision to go along with the expansion plan. The 7 conference games we played each year for the several years before that were scheduled by LSU by a less formalized conference scheduling process that -- as I understand it -- was more similar to today's nonconference scheduling, where some teams would agree to play each other every year (eg., LSU/Alabama, similar to SC/Notre Dame) and others would simply contact each other from time to time to schedule games when it worked out (like how we rarely played Auburn or Georgia back in the 80s). But throughout the process, the conference games -- like all the rest -- have been specifically chosen by LSU (in collaboration with the other teams, of course) for our schedule. So, yes, LSU did schedule all of our conference games, specifically scheduling which teams to play in which years.
Posted on 9/16/08 at 10:02 pm to Soopatigafan
The writer must be a Ohio St fan. 
Posted on 9/16/08 at 10:08 pm to Gulf Coast Tiger
You know I am a huge fan of trying to schedule at least one tough opponent from one of the other big conferences at the start of the year. I really wish we could figure out a way to do that. Consistently, every year.
HOWEVER, what this arse clown write does not take into consideration is that while USC did have to play respectable opponents like Virginia and tOSU (albeit they are both down this year), they will not have to play a conference championship game. That is definitely the equalizer. So he can just continue to pick on the SEC and Big 12, because we all know where the most talent lies. Yes USC is loaded, but that is it folks. The rest of the big boys play in the south and midwest. Period. And these guys slaughter each other all year long and have to square off in the end with the two best teams from either side of the conference to crown the champion. Before we ever even begin to talk about a bowl game. See if USC, tOSU, or any other team out there could do that. Until then, let 'em bitch.
HOWEVER, what this arse clown write does not take into consideration is that while USC did have to play respectable opponents like Virginia and tOSU (albeit they are both down this year), they will not have to play a conference championship game. That is definitely the equalizer. So he can just continue to pick on the SEC and Big 12, because we all know where the most talent lies. Yes USC is loaded, but that is it folks. The rest of the big boys play in the south and midwest. Period. And these guys slaughter each other all year long and have to square off in the end with the two best teams from either side of the conference to crown the champion. Before we ever even begin to talk about a bowl game. See if USC, tOSU, or any other team out there could do that. Until then, let 'em bitch.
Posted on 9/16/08 at 10:09 pm to LSUTANGERINE
quote:As I explained in response to your previous post, yes, we did choose (years ago) which specific SEC teams to play each year. Of course we collaborated with the other teams involved (in this case, the rest of the SEC). But surely you realize that is no different than any other scheduling. Neither SC nor LSU (nor anyone else) can simply say, "we choose to play Oklahoma next September 12th!" and have it just automatically happen.
Unless you are saying LSU chooses (my definition of schedule in this particular case) which SEC teams they play each year, then, at least with my def., USC "schedules" stonger games (the OOC gamess)
quote:That is almost certainly true. I am well aware of many very good reasons SC has for staying in the Pac 10 despite it not offering the highest level of competition in terms of football. On the other hand, should the SEC ever backslide into a lesser position, I would not be one to suggest our weak conference as an excuse for an overall weakness in SoS. We choose the conference and choose the consequences of that choice.
But if the SEC "ever" (haha) has a few down years, I don't think LSU will be knocking on the door of a tough conference to play tough opponents.
quote:Precisely what I would expect. Again, though, where I would differ from current Pac 10 fans and apologists is that I would recognize that -- since OOC constitutes such a small minority of the schedule -- the disparity in OOC schedule strength would have to be monumental to make the overall schedule strength even comparable. One top 10 OOC team is not going to elevate a 9 game conference slate featuring one ranked team to the point that it equals an 8 game conference slate with 3 top 10 teams and two other ranked teams.
They might schedule some tougher OOC foes though.
Posted on 9/16/08 at 10:10 pm to LSUTANGERINE
LSU OC schedule + LSU IC schedule > USC OC schedule + USC IC schedule
Posted on 9/16/08 at 10:11 pm to King Joey
quote:
These 8 conference games every year were scheduled by LSU by our decision to go along with the realingment plan. The 8 conference games every year from 1992-2001 were scheduled by LSU by our decision to go along with the expansion plan. The 7 conference games we played each year for the several years before that were scheduled by LSU by a less formalized conference scheduling process that -- as I understand it -- was more similar to today's nonconference scheduling, where some teams would agree to play each other every year (eg., LSU/Alabama, similar to SC/Notre Dame) and others would simply contact each other from time to time to schedule games when it worked out (like how we rarely played Auburn or Georgia back in the 80s). But throughout the process, the conference games -- like all the rest -- have been specifically chosen by LSU (in collaboration with the other teams, of course) for our schedule. So, yes, LSU did schedule all of our conference games, specifically scheduling which teams to play in which years.
If they chose not to go along with expansion or realigment, I suppose they woudl be out right? I see in the past. But did LSU choose to play those teams from 92-01 or were those ironed out by all the schools and SEC officials and that is what LSU got by staying with the SEC and agreeing to expansion or realignment?
Sounds like the current 8 games "come with the deal"? I am sure LSU had input (foe preference and ironing out deals), but doubt they cherry picked the all specific teams. I can't imagine that would be possible with every SEC team getting to play who they want.
Anywho---thanks tghe clarification.
Either way, the SEC road is much tougher than ANY conference. But, of course, I cannot leave without saying USC schedules tougher OOC games by far and (I understand the reasoning for both the SEC abd USC OOC schedules and the estimated ratio of strong: weak teams).
Peace!
Fight on! and ...uh....Go Tigers?
This post was edited on 9/16/08 at 10:16 pm
Posted on 9/16/08 at 10:15 pm to Tigershat
quote:Exactly right. And any analysis of scheduling that considers only one of those aspects (in conference or out of conference) in inherently disingenuous. And those that consider only the OOC are two to three times as disingenuous since that constitutes only 1/3 to 1/4 of the schedule.
LSU OC schedule + LSU IC schedule > USC OC schedule + USC IC schedule
Posted on 9/16/08 at 10:19 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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But if the SEC "ever" (haha) has a few down years, I don't think LSU will be knocking on the door of a tough conference to play tough opponents. They might schedule some tougher OOC foes though. But for now, they "choose" (schedules- my def) to play much less worthy foes. With that being said, I do understand why
End of argument.......now tell that to this homer.
Posted on 9/16/08 at 10:22 pm to Tigershat
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LSU OC schedule + LSU IC schedule > USC OC schedule + USC IC schedule
I know that and have never disagreed. Not awlays. A big most of the time--yes.
But USC OOC + the sqaure of the hypotenuse of a right triangle - one unfounded rape charge + free rent and babes at Matt Lienart's apartment, + one tricked out Chevy Imapala - one fake ID x some weed divivided by two fake 20 dollar bills and one meal at a Sushi resturant > tough though.
This post was edited on 9/16/08 at 10:28 pm
Posted on 9/16/08 at 10:27 pm to LSUTANGERINE
quote:Of course not. It was not as simple as LSU saying, "we want Florida every year, and Georgia in '03/'04 and again in '08/'09, and Vandy in '04/'05, . . . ."
Sounds like the current 8 games "come with the deal"? I am sure LSU had input (foe preference and ironing out deals), but doubt they cherry picked the all specific teams. I can't imagine that would be possible with every SEC team getting to play who they want
There were negotiations and discussions and lots of other stuff (most likely a lot of bullshite, too, but that's committee decision-making).
quote:Pretty much. We may have been able to get a little more of whatever we wanted by pushing a little harder, or we may have pushed as hard as possible. I don't know, I wasn't there. But I know we could have walked and said, "c-ya!" if we wanted to. It would have been pretty freakin' stupid, and remains a really stupid idea until the SEC decides to do something REALLY dumb or that really screws LSU over; like cut us out of the TV money or somethign stupid like that. But, yeah, we could have refused and walked away to join the Big XII, or ACC, or maybe even C-USA (thought I doubt that would have been the choice).
If they chose not to go along with expansion or realigment, I suppose they woudl be out right?
quote:The '92 to '01 schedules were set the same way the current ones were set. In fact, the way they were set in '92 was (I think) supposed to be still the way we play them now. But with the two perennial cross-divisional opponents and only one rotating, teams were going six years without ever facing each other (LSU never played Tennessee '94 through '99). So the SEC decided to change to the current format in '02. I think the meeting took place in '01, but the changes didn't start until '02.
But did LSU choose to play those teams from 92-01 or were those ironed out by all the schools and SEC officials and that is what LSU got by staying with the SEC and agreeing to expansion or realignment?
Posted on 9/16/08 at 10:29 pm to King Joey
quote:
The '92 to '01 schedules were set the same way the current ones were set. In fact, the way they were set in '92 was (I think) supposed to be still the way we play them now. But with the two perennial cross-divisional opponents and only one rotating, teams were going six years without ever facing each other (LSU never played Tennessee '94 through '99). So the SEC decided to change to the current format in '02. I think the meeting took place in '01, but the changes didn't start until '02.
So I assume you will have some pull with the refs this week at AU?
Posted on 9/16/08 at 10:29 pm to Flamefighter
USC won and is not opposed by much. This is the media's response. They think they finally have that big TV year and seriously, they might. Nevermind that the SEC shedule is 10 times what USC's regular schedule is. The article even tries to call how the season will go for LSU, losing to in-conference teams and all.
Seriously, all we can do is pray for a USC loss. It's the only thing that will stop the USC train that boarded before the season even began.
Seriously, all we can do is pray for a USC loss. It's the only thing that will stop the USC train that boarded before the season even began.
Posted on 9/16/08 at 10:30 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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But USC OOC + the sqaure of the hypotenuse of a right triangle - one unfounded rape charge + free rent and babes at Matt Lienart's apartment, + one tricked out Chevy Imapala - one fake ID x some weed divivided by two fake 20 dollar bills and one meal at a Sushi resturant > tough though.
You forgot unlimited use of a credit card and payments before leaving college sports....
Posted on 9/16/08 at 10:32 pm to LSUBlake8
We start our season by playing 3 BCS opponents regardless of conference or where they rank in the conference! We have no buffer to go through the depth chart and see who will start against the big boys. So of course after playing a road conference and a home against the #2 ranked team we're gonna schedule smaller teams.
Fox can piss off.
Fox can piss off.
This post was edited on 9/16/08 at 10:33 pm
Posted on 9/16/08 at 10:36 pm to Adiossuck
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This post was edited on 9/16/08 at 10:37 pm
Posted on 9/16/08 at 10:46 pm to LSUTANGERINE
quote:No, no, no, no, NO!!! Why can't you Pac 10 homers get it RIGHT!?!?!
USC OOC + the sqaure of the hypotenuse of a right triangle - one unfounded rape charge + free rent and babes at Matt Lienart's apartment, + one tricked out Chevy Imapala - one fake ID x some weed divivided by two fake 20 dollar bills and one meal at a Sushi resturant > tough
You don't subtract the unfounded rape charge; you divide by it. And it's not the square of the hypotenuse; it's the derivative of the tangent.
So you get:
(SC OOC + f'(tan)) / 1(unfounded rape charge) + (free rent + babes) @ Matt Lienart's apartment + 1(tricked out Chevey Impala) - (fake ID x some weed / (2(fake $20 bills) + meal at a Sushi restaurant)) < tough
See?
darn left coast "new math" . . .
Posted on 9/16/08 at 10:49 pm to LSUTANGERINE
quote:I think if we had any of that, we would have used in '06.
So I assume you will have some pull with the refs this week at AU?
But maybe we've built up a line of credit we can cash in for a royal fricking of Tuberville and his little chop-blocking shits.
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