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Posted on 3/28/17 at 7:44 am to
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 7:44 am to
Choupique19
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Posted by redfieldk717
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 7:59 am to
Oh boy
Posted by josh336
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:03 am to
I think jordan gets way too much hate on this site. With that said, i think he and reid should split the dh role
Posted by Drakeo1990
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:05 am to
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But at the end of the game, when only one run is needed a bunt is the statistically better play that eventually leads to a tie/win.


IE....Florida's one run on Friday night.

I also think not having to use anyone in the bullpen on Friday night had a good bit to do with going for the win.
Posted by Choupique19
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:10 am to
Well I had to switch the lineup in order to get us a win on Sunday. I did a very fine job of coaching this weekend, the players just didn't do a good job of executing. Have you heard about my son's book?
Posted by MorbidTheClown
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:15 am to
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I think jordan gets way too much hate on this site.


I don't hate him. as a matter of fact i picked him to hit the first HR before the season started. He just seems to disappoint more often than not.
Posted by Drakeo1990
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:20 am to
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I don't hate him.



I only hate him when he swings at pitch in the dirt and six inches off the plate then watches one right down the middle.
Posted by josh336
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:28 am to
He doesnt fail at much of a higher rate than most of the starters.

His obp is actually higher than duplantis and slaughter at the moment. He is hitting .327 which is a good average.
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:41 am to
And why would you want reid getting ABs?
Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:49 am to
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In which situation are you more likely to score at least one run? Hint: It's with a runner at 3B and 1 out.


Ell, your statement does not agree with the stat Groupee posted, quoted below.
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Scoring from second with none out has a run expectancy of 1.228. Scoring from third with one out has a run expectancy of .980.

I don't know if his stat is accurate, or like 78.6575% of statistics quoted on the internet, it's just made up.

My brief readings of Sabermetrics says the overriding principle to baseball is conserving the only rules-limiting resource to scoring, 27 outs in a regulation game.

So, giving up one of those 27 outs should only be done to increase chances of scoring, or, to decrease chances of giving up more outs, i.e., a double play.

Groupee, could you post a link or cite a source for the numbers you gave above? Much appreciated.
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:55 am to
Put it this way... you are more likely to score zero runs with no outs and a runner on 2B than 1 out and a runner on 3B.

Run expectancy is an average. What I'm talking about is probability.

From the article I linked, which looks at 2 runners on base:

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But what about bunting over runners on 1st and 2nd? The run expectancy for runners on 1st and 2nd and no outs is 1.47 runs, and the specific breakdown is as follows:

Runs Probability
0....... 36.99%
1....... 22.94%
2....... 16.27%
3....... 12.23%
4+..... 11.57%

For runners on 2nd and 3rd and one out, the run expectancy is 1.36 runs, and the specific breakdown is as follows:

Runs Probability
0....... 33.26%
1....... 27.34%
2....... 22.28%
3....... 9.11%
4+..... 8.01%

Now we're getting somewhere. You've still reduced your overall run expectancy. But you've decreased your chances of scoring 0 runs by 3.62%, so you've increased your likelihood of scoring at least one run. What's more, you've increased your chances of scoring exactly one run by almost 5%, and exactly two runs by 6%! Basically, the sacrifice you're making is increasing your probability of scoring 1-2 runs at the expense of scoring 3 or more. So in a close game in the later innings and runners on first and second, it (and it hurts to say this) might make sense to bunt them over.
This post was edited on 3/28/17 at 8:57 am
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:01 am to
LINK


Here is what you are looking for. Run expectancy and the probability of scoring >0


For this weekends exact situation:

0 outs; runner on 2B

Run expectancy: 1.13
>0 run probability: 0.633

1 out; runner on 3B

Run expectancy: 0.96
>0 run probability: 0.667


ETA: These stats are from MLB seasons 1984-1994. Others have done their own compilation with more recent data and the numbers have come out very similar. Most believe the "steroid era" began in 1994 as well, fwiw. Just thought I would point this out since they don't match perfectly with the data from my first link.
This post was edited on 3/28/17 at 9:08 am
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:01 am to
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Ell, your statement does not agree with the stat Groupee posted, quoted below.
You must have been awful at math. Ell is 100% correct
Posted by josh336
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:04 am to
He has a small sample size of at bats, and from what he showed last year, he gets on base at a good rate and works the pitchers like few others on our team do
Posted by ProjectP2294
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:11 am to
Our bullpen is stranding 67% of inherited runners in SEC play (6 of 9). While not great, it's still a small sample size and does represent an improvement over the season average (59%).

We also stranded the only inherited runner in the SELU game. So since the start of SEC play we've stranded 70%.
Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:14 am to
That last link is exactly what I was hoping to see. Thanks!

Since the chart you linked to is for Major League games played from 1984 to 1994, the only unknown variable is the difference in the average major league player's running speed back then vs. the average college player's speed today. (I'm ignoring Nolan Cain coaching third base.....)

Maybe that's what you can do in your spare time, ell. Put together a statistical analysis from the last 10 years of D1 college games.
Posted by Choupique19
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:16 am to
What do the stats say about hit and runs? Because we call for a ton of them and occasionally one works out.

Bunt = bad
Hit and Run = OMG this is the most bestest play in the world and the only way to kick start a slumping offense!
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:18 am to
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Put together a statistical analysis from the last 10 years of D1 college games.
How about SEC games only? I think using all of D1 would be tedious and the data erratic due to so many teams.

So looking at the smaller sample set, I'll get back to you in about 3 years...
Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:21 am to
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I'll get back to you in about 3 years...
Looking forward to it...

ETA: Going back to the first link you gave (the long article) I now know that Groupee was using "run expectancy" rather than ">0 runs" odds in the situations we're talking about. Run expectancy is not the same as >0 runs and scoring >0 runs is what I was wanting to learn about. Good stuff. Thanks again.
This post was edited on 3/28/17 at 9:27 am
Posted by josh336
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:21 am to
I have no problem using them for a slumping player or slumping offense late in a low scoring game. But the way PM does it early in games with some of our hottest players at the plate is infuriating. Its statistically a terrible play to run.

I cringe when it works, because i know that means we are gonna run a few more extra throughout the next weeks worth of games.
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