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Posted on 5/6/15 at 3:18 pm to TigerCub
quote:I've not only discussed having a robust proportion but also trends. Both need to be present and right now lsu has neither. At least Texas has 1 of the 2.
I guess as long as you make it to Omaha a few times you can be really bad those other couple of years
Posted on 5/6/15 at 3:20 pm to bfniii
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I've not only discussed having a robust proportion but also trends. Both need to be present and right now lsu has neither. At least Texas has 1 of the 2.
If you think Texas has been better overall than LSU the past 5 years, I honestly don't know what to tell you. One program is getting ready to show their coach the door and one isn't.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 3:21 pm to LSUTygerFan
quote:says the person who responds 9 pages in. Is there a page limit we're about to reach? It's a discussion board for crying out loud. If you don't want to read it, feel free to leave
give it a rest already.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 3:32 pm to bfniii
Posted on 5/6/15 at 3:42 pm to bfniii
quote:
hope you're not referring to me because my point is not unreasonable at all.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 4:50 pm to bfniii
What did I dodge?
I'm going to explain this to you. How investment works and how it works at LSU. We didn't build these facilities because it would get us to Omaha. We built them with the understanding and goal that people would pay for it. People would show up. And you're right. People show up when you win. But not necessary in Omaha. We've been leading attendance for 20 years now. Before we ever won a game at Rosenblatt. WHAT? No Omaha yet we still got people to show up. Impossible!!! You don't seem to realize that LSU's regular season success and the good players we get here is what drives attendance numbers. And that's built on a foundation of the culture Skip created (championships or none) and isn't going away any time soon. We sell out the stadium regardless of the game, the year, the record. So the university is willing to put that money up.
Of course attendance isn't a problem. Yet that seems to contradict your claim that we are not getting a return on investment. It's exactly what it means. I know you don't like it because you ignore or undervalue anything that proves you wrong.
You are not allowing for fluid trends. You are sticking to 5 years because it fits your argument the best. Let's looks at an opposite example. South Carolina. They had 3 great years in a row. You use the last 5 and they look amazing. Use the last 3 and they seem to be in a bad decline and we look much better. So which is it?
I can't believe I'm having to explain this to you. No one thinks your Ky analogy was relevant. You claim their fans would be freaking out if they had the type of results we had the last 5 years. Okay? How is that relevant? In basketball, the team with talent wins. Scouting basketball talent is 1000 times easier. There are 100 fewer variables than a baseball team. So if a team like Ky gets the 4 best Freshmen in the country, it's obvious they got them. No other team will have that talent. There's no debate. They get all the scholarships they need. There's hardly no reason to think they shouldn't be in the final four as long as they bring in those players. Tell me baseball is that simple. Tell me it's rational for our fans to have those expectations in the Title IX era and baseball only getting 11.7 scholarships. Do we get the 10 best recruits every year? Is that possible for any team? I'll help. No.
I'm going to explain this to you. How investment works and how it works at LSU. We didn't build these facilities because it would get us to Omaha. We built them with the understanding and goal that people would pay for it. People would show up. And you're right. People show up when you win. But not necessary in Omaha. We've been leading attendance for 20 years now. Before we ever won a game at Rosenblatt. WHAT? No Omaha yet we still got people to show up. Impossible!!! You don't seem to realize that LSU's regular season success and the good players we get here is what drives attendance numbers. And that's built on a foundation of the culture Skip created (championships or none) and isn't going away any time soon. We sell out the stadium regardless of the game, the year, the record. So the university is willing to put that money up.
Of course attendance isn't a problem. Yet that seems to contradict your claim that we are not getting a return on investment. It's exactly what it means. I know you don't like it because you ignore or undervalue anything that proves you wrong.
You are not allowing for fluid trends. You are sticking to 5 years because it fits your argument the best. Let's looks at an opposite example. South Carolina. They had 3 great years in a row. You use the last 5 and they look amazing. Use the last 3 and they seem to be in a bad decline and we look much better. So which is it?
I can't believe I'm having to explain this to you. No one thinks your Ky analogy was relevant. You claim their fans would be freaking out if they had the type of results we had the last 5 years. Okay? How is that relevant? In basketball, the team with talent wins. Scouting basketball talent is 1000 times easier. There are 100 fewer variables than a baseball team. So if a team like Ky gets the 4 best Freshmen in the country, it's obvious they got them. No other team will have that talent. There's no debate. They get all the scholarships they need. There's hardly no reason to think they shouldn't be in the final four as long as they bring in those players. Tell me baseball is that simple. Tell me it's rational for our fans to have those expectations in the Title IX era and baseball only getting 11.7 scholarships. Do we get the 10 best recruits every year? Is that possible for any team? I'll help. No.
This post was edited on 5/6/15 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 5/6/15 at 5:02 pm to ell_13
"built on a foundation of the culture Skip created and isn't going away any time soon"
Amen to that:
Amen to that:
Posted on 5/6/15 at 6:32 pm to TigerCub
quote:so when a trend isn't going well, the best programs do something about it. you're proving my point. so if mainieri doesn't make omaha yet again, what should happen?
One program is getting ready to show their coach the door and one isn't.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 6:37 pm to bfniii
We hire me.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 7:00 pm to ell_13
quote:what teams are going to consistently have great attendance with a consistently mediocre or bad record? The answer is none.
What did I dodge?
quote:you're getting off topic. regardless of what you think about how the facilities play out, lsu is a premier program in baseball and they have not been making the proportionate appearances in omaha over the last 5 years, especially compared to other elite programs. it's a simple correlation that several people in this thread seem to comprehend. i'm sorry you don't. you seem content making excuses for it instead of just realizing that the best programs are the ones not making excuses.
We didn't build these facilities because it would get us to Omaha.
quote:now this is getting ridiculous. lsu has led the nation in attendance for 19 years, starting after the 1995 season. lsu had already made 7 omaha appearances. i hope you see how this proves my point.
We've been leading attendance for 20 years now. Before we ever won a game at Rosenblatt
quote:you pointed out that i'm willing to acknowledge that making it this year changes the landscape significantly so, you're contradicting yourself
You are sticking to 5 years because it fits your argument the best
quote:who has complained about it except for you? i'm sorry you don't understand it. it's quite simple actually. elite programs make it past the 2nd round more often than not. elite baseball programs make regular appearances in omaha.
No one thinks your Ky analogy was relevant.
quote:no, they made the statement that those results wouldn't fly for long. clearly you didn't read the thread that you are criticizing which is not surprising.
You claim their fans would be freaking out if they had the type of results we had the last 5 years.
quote:what about the almost yearly 12 seed upset? you're just getting silly now.
There's hardly no reason to think they shouldn't be in the final four as long as they bring in those players.
lsu isn't even in the top 10 in omaha success over the last 5 seasons. face it, it's not a good trend.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 7:18 pm to bfniii
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it's quite simple actually. elite programs make it past the 2nd round more often than not. elite baseball programs make regular appearances in omaha.
Must be why South Carolina missed the CWS from 2004-2010 under Tanner. They were just trending downward which is why 2011 and 2012 were disasters
quote:
no, they made the statement that those results wouldn't fly for long. clearly you didn't read the thread that you are criticizing which is not surprising.
This post was edited on 5/6/15 at 7:20 pm
Posted on 5/6/15 at 7:23 pm to TigerBait1127
He didn't read my post where only 1 team has been to the CWS more than 3 times in the last 9 years: UNC. They have no championships. I guess that's what he wants. 
Posted on 5/6/15 at 7:30 pm to ell_13
Ell haven't you got it? Texas is an "elite" program right now. But they won't be in about 3 weeks.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 7:45 pm to bfniii
I'm only going to address my typo. I meant to put 30 years. We have been at (or very close) to the top since 1985. We hadn't even made the tournament prior to that year, but we got over 1,500 people in attendance per game. Back then, that was enough for top 10 in the nation. That was my only point. And one I keep making and you ignoring: winning is important for fans. Winning in Omaha isn't nearly the necessity you make it out to be for LSU to get the attendance it's expected to get.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 7:46 pm to TigerCub
I forget that 1 year can make or break a "trend"
Posted on 5/6/15 at 8:36 pm to ell_13
I mean, I get that we need to break through and play better ball in the postseason. That's what our goal is here. But as an analyst by trade it's pretty appalling that someone can say one data point drastically shifts a trend.
When it comes to baseball and football our fans often confuse goals with minimum expectations/standards. Those terms do not mean the same thing and it's possible to fall short of one while still meeting the other.
When it comes to baseball and football our fans often confuse goals with minimum expectations/standards. Those terms do not mean the same thing and it's possible to fall short of one while still meeting the other.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 8:49 pm to TigerBait1127
quote:so you think it's unreasonable to expect the premier baseball program in america to win more than zero games in omaha in a 5 year period. that's ridiculous. that emoticon shows you mean business!
TigerBait1127
Posted on 5/6/15 at 8:51 pm to bfniii
quote:
so you think it's unreasonable to expect the premier baseball program in america to win more than zero games in omaha in a 5 year period. that's ridiculous.
Your reading comprehension is worse than your data analytics knowledge
I choose to look at more than 1 benchmark when determining the health and direction of LSU's program and the job PM has done at LSU (I also won't ignore other meaningful years).
This post was edited on 5/6/15 at 8:57 pm
Posted on 5/6/15 at 8:58 pm to MOT
I was disappointed at us losing to Houston last year in the BR Regional. Very disappointed. But I am usually disappointed in LSU teams, at least initially, when we lose a Regional or even a Super Regional.
My problem is this: we've had so much success since the mid-1980s that we've come to EXPECT a CWS every year and a NC every 2-3 years. Those goals are lofty and increasingly unrealistic as college baseball interest and emphasis expands across the nation. With scholarship and roster limitations, NO CBB program can realistically have those kinds of goals.
I like PM just fine. I do not see any CBHC that I am sure is superior to PM. Getting rid of PM only works if you KNOW you'll replace him with someone better.
My problem is this: we've had so much success since the mid-1980s that we've come to EXPECT a CWS every year and a NC every 2-3 years. Those goals are lofty and increasingly unrealistic as college baseball interest and emphasis expands across the nation. With scholarship and roster limitations, NO CBB program can realistically have those kinds of goals.
I like PM just fine. I do not see any CBHC that I am sure is superior to PM. Getting rid of PM only works if you KNOW you'll replace him with someone better.
This post was edited on 5/6/15 at 9:00 pm
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