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re: Tigers have reached the 40-win mark for the 7th time in coach Paul Mainieri's 9
Posted on 5/4/15 at 6:44 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Posted on 5/4/15 at 6:44 pm to Mickey Goldmill
quote:the decade isn't relevant. what's relevant is the ratio of resources between lsu and other programs. lsu baseball has more resources than basically every program in the nation except texas.
This isn't the 90s
quote:strawman
don't act like every season that doesn't end in a national title is a total waste
quote:this is of course irrelevant. again, lsu has the most fans, best facilities, most resources, most money, exposure as good as anyone, best visibility with recruits but still hasn't done anything of note since '09.
We've been very consistent the past few years when other power programs have struggled with breaking .500.
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 6:50 pm to jptiger2009
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Skip created, Mainieri has sustained.
Now, WIN another mother fricking championship!!!
Posted on 5/4/15 at 6:50 pm to bfniii
All you're reinforcing is that the season is a waste if you don't win the national title every season. Otherwise, it's dumb to say LSU hasn't accomplished "anything of note" since 2009.
What's your honest thoughts on what Alleva should do with maineri? Would you suggest firing him for reaching the 400 win mark at the same pace as Bertman and being the winningest program the past 3 seasons? No one would touch the LSU job if Maineri got fired with his body of work.
No one here is suggesting we throw up a statue for Maineri, but the guy deserves some kudos for being the most consistent program in college baseball under his tenure.
What's your honest thoughts on what Alleva should do with maineri? Would you suggest firing him for reaching the 400 win mark at the same pace as Bertman and being the winningest program the past 3 seasons? No one would touch the LSU job if Maineri got fired with his body of work.
No one here is suggesting we throw up a statue for Maineri, but the guy deserves some kudos for being the most consistent program in college baseball under his tenure.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 6:52 pm to tigerbait2010
Anything of note? He went to Omaha playing a style of ball completely unsuitable for the the new park and bats.
I can promise you he will see more success now that things have changed in that regard.
I can promise you he will see more success now that things have changed in that regard.
This post was edited on 5/4/15 at 6:52 pm
Posted on 5/4/15 at 6:52 pm to tigerbait2010
quote:again, mainieri's tenure is becoming known more for stony brook and houston than the distant '09 championship. he hasn't done anything significant since '09. and that includes hosting regionals and supers. it's looking more like state in the 90's and ole miss in the 2000's. hosting basically every year and not making it to omaha.
we're the winningest program in college baseball the last three seasons makes for "significantly underachieving" to be pretty damn hyperbolic.
quote:what does this have to do with the fact that his postseason credentials have basically fallen off the map? that's a fact, not perspective. he's not even making it to omaha much less winning there.
Well that's because a lot our fan base is dumb as frick, pessimistic, and lack perspective
quote:again, this is misleading. only one since '09 and he didn't even win a stinking game. didn't even look competitive. otherwise, we've been losing regionals and supers at home.
3 CWS appearances
quote:this isn't really different than the basketball tourney. no program that fails to get out of a nearby 2nd round game every year for the past 5 years is not even close to elite. even with the equivalent of a lone sweet 16 appearance. consistent, yes. winning, yes. elite, not even close.
There's not a single program that's been more consistent than LSU other than Carolina when it had Tanner, who's now gone.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 6:57 pm to L S Usetheforce
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Anything of note? He went to Omaha playing a style of ball completely unsuitable for the the new park and bats.
Wouldn't that fall in the lap of Javi? Make no mistake, I hated the nepotism involved in hiring Javi, so it does indirectly fall in Maineri's lap. But did anyone suit their style of play for the new park? Weren't there all extremely low scoring games the year LSU went? I find it hard to believe everyone's style suited that massive park but LSU's.
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I can promise you he will see more success now that things have changed in that regard.
I agree. No one should have had to find a style "suitable" to the new Rosenblatt in the first place.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 6:57 pm to tigerbait2010
quote:over the last 5 seasons? that's just stupid. the results are actually in their favor. they've been to omaha twice and won 3 games. otherwise, the results are almost identical.
Florida state would kill for our post-season results
Posted on 5/4/15 at 7:05 pm to bfniii
quote:
again, mainieri's tenure is becoming known more for stony brook and houston than the distant '09 championship. he hasn't done anything significant since '09. and that includes hosting regionals and supers. it's looking more like state in the 90's and ole miss in the 2000's. hosting basically every year and not making it to omaha.
You can't chalk up everything that's happened since 2009 on Maineri. What about the gut-wrenching MLB signings LSU had to endure for consecutive years? Vandy, TCU, Florida, and others have caught way more breaks than LSU with the draft. You have to admit a lot of unbelievably close calls didn't go in LSU's favor until this past class.
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what does this have to do with the fact that his postseason credentials have basically fallen off the map? that's a fact, not perspective. he's not even making it to omaha much less winning there.
What were your honest expectations of last year's baseball team? We lost damn near the entire team that won 57 games and still were a game away from Omaha. that's not exactly an abysmal coaching performance.
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again, this is misleading. only one since '09 and he didn't even win a stinking game. didn't even look competitive. otherwise, we've been losing regionals and supers at home.
Were you drunk during the UCLA game? That was one of the most intense games LSU has played in Omaha, and a pretty huge error that's out of Maineri's hands basically cost us the game. You don't think the team could help but be just a tad down from that gut wrenching loss?
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this isn't really different than the basketball tourney. no program that fails to get out of a nearby 2nd round game every year for the past 5 years is not even close to elite. even with the equivalent of a lone sweet 16 appearance. consistent, yes. winning, yes. elite, not even close.
I would say making the CWS is probably equivalent to the elite 8, and a super regional sweet 16. That's all relative anyways, but to say LSU "hasn't gotten out of the second round" for 5 straight years doesn't really make sense.
I even said he micromanages things too much at times. that doesn't mean you can't tip your cap to the consistent success
Posted on 5/4/15 at 7:05 pm to tigerbait2010
quote:you're reinforcing a strawman. that's not what i said.
All you're reinforcing is that the season is a waste if you don't win the national title every season.
quote:lsu hasn't even won a game in omaha in that time and has only been once. the results aren't matching the investment in the sport
Otherwise, it's dumb to say LSU hasn't accomplished "anything of note" since 2009.
quote:he's had time. if it were me, he needs to win at least one game in omaha this season or else he's on a 1 year contract. but, i wouldn't have hired jones either. completely lackluster postseason resume. if jones doesn't win at least 2 tourney games next season, he's on a 1 year contract. that would be his 3rd season in a row with enough talent to win some tourney games.
Would you suggest firing him for reaching the 400 win mark at the same pace as Bertman and being the winningest program the past 3 seasons?
quote:based on the investment in the program, lsu isn't trying to be consistent, they should be elite.
the guy deserves some kudos for being the most consistent program in college baseball under his tenure.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 7:07 pm to L S Usetheforce
quote:you know you're proving my point right? he prepared the team to be unprepared in omaha.
Anything of note? He went to Omaha playing a style of ball completely unsuitable for the the new park and bats
Posted on 5/4/15 at 7:10 pm to bfniii
I'm about to punch out. We'll just agree to disagree.
I'll probably lean more to your thoughts on the situation if LSU doesn't do well this postseason. Until the season unfolds, I think his work has been great outside of '10 and '11. It was annoying to hear him basically admit he quit working as hard after the 2009 season. Hiring his BBQ bud Grewe was also a really dumb move.
I think LSU can do better, but we also aren't eve close to being in a position to fire him.
I'll probably lean more to your thoughts on the situation if LSU doesn't do well this postseason. Until the season unfolds, I think his work has been great outside of '10 and '11. It was annoying to hear him basically admit he quit working as hard after the 2009 season. Hiring his BBQ bud Grewe was also a really dumb move.
I think LSU can do better, but we also aren't eve close to being in a position to fire him.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 7:15 pm to tigerbait2010
quote:lsu has about as much talent on the field as anyone in the country every season.
What about the gut-wrenching MLB signings LSU had to endure for consecutive years?
quote:i'm not looking at any one season. given the investment in the sport, lsu needs to be in omaha more often than not. moreover, lsu needs to win games there. 0-2 needs to be the exception. the basketball team should win 2 tourney games more often than not. that's what elite programs do.
What were your honest expectations of last year's baseball team?
quote:how often does ky not make the elite 8?
I would say making the CWS is probably equivalent to the elite 8
quote:is for ole miss. lsu should be elite given the amount of investment in the program relative to other teams.
consistent
Posted on 5/4/15 at 7:50 pm to bfniii
God, this thread is full of stupid.
Among active coaches, you'd be hard pressed to find a better coach than Mainieri.
Among active coaches, you'd be hard pressed to find a better coach than Mainieri.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 7:53 pm to bfniii
quote:
the decade isn't relevant.
Yeah... it is. Other teams actually try now.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 7:56 pm to bfniii
You sound dumber with every post you make. If it was up to you, we'd have a new baseball coach every 2 years.
This post was edited on 5/4/15 at 7:57 pm
Posted on 5/4/15 at 9:05 pm to TigerCub
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Were you drunk during the UCLA game? That was one of the most intense games LSU has played in Omaha, and a pretty huge error that's out of Maineri's hands basically cost us the game. You don't think the team could help but be just a tad down from that gut wrenching loss?
Did you forget that Rhymes should have bunted? No outs. Instead he hit into a double play. Do you remember the excuse for not calling a bunt?
Posted on 5/4/15 at 9:45 pm to tigerbait2010
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Paul has his flaws as far as micromanaging too much at times, but for a sport that has had so much parity over the years, he's done a damn good job.
There was a time when anything short of a nice run in Omaha meant LSU had a bad season. He has done well during the regular season, but outside of 2009....with the talent LSU has had annually, I'd have to say overall they have underachieved.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 7:09 am to Asllan
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Did you forget that Rhymes should have bunted? No outs. Instead he hit into a double play. Do you remember the excuse for not calling a bunt?
Not to mention that UCLA won it all with Weenieball--a bunch of bunts, infield hits and stolen bases.
Meanwhile, LSU lost because they were trying to hit 900-foot home runs with bats and balls specifically rigged to prevent that--in a field about as long as an airport runway.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 7:13 am to tigerbait2010
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We lost damn near the entire team that won 57 games and still were a game away from Omaha.
Were we getting a bye in the Super Regional?
Posted on 5/5/15 at 9:56 am to lsu2006
quote:no it isn't. Lsu pours more money into the program and makes more than basically everybody. Yet lsu hasn't even won 1 game in Omaha since '09. Continuing to repeat the decade argument doesn't make it true.
Yeah... it is.
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